Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue?

exactly. I agree with you.

yeah i know



but this is what i was replying to. its should depend on men too cos it concerns them as well

good point arien

being roman catholic i often have this thrown in my face with this issue my point and opinion is my religion has frak all to do with decisions and choices i make as an individual nor influence them we have are own minds at end of day ... and yes inevitably it is the woman choice to go down this route for whatever reason.

Laws are mainly written and voted on by men, since they are majority in the governments around the world. Scandiavian countries have a more sensible law due to a higher volume of women in the government.

sad but true. its a male Dominate thing. wish female too were involved

theres the answer.. .more female dominatrixes in government. ... oh sorry, this is in danger of becoming yet another pervy thread.

Famous Female leaders. Bodicea. Queen Mary of Scots, Elizabeth 1, Thatcher. Joan of Arc, All violent *******.

but females are too damn emotional and they all will make decision from the heart.

and most scandinavian (swedish/finnish especially) are wimps that let this kind of laws happen. Poland´s law is very sensible. Scandinavian feminism is new nazism in here. I hate it.

Scandinavian feminism is new nazism


That would make a brilliant quote on a T-Shirt.

Yes you are right. This thing concerns every human being.

Well, if somebody is interested in the topic, goole Alicja Tysiac, whose famous case of being denied abortion took her to court is Strasburg and she won.

Giles, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I wasn't talking about women being powerfull leaders, I was talking about women taking equal part in decision making, be it abortion or anything else for that matter. I think you misread my post.

I was being silly, not serious, s'cool. Men are merely Pandas!

Giles,

I don't understand what you mean by Pandas, please explain.

Pandas. EATS, SHOOTS AND LEAFS.

i think he maybe means - eats shoots and leaves?

Maax,
I know what you think about scandinavian feminism, because we had this discussion in another thread.
It is viewed differently around the world and it an example for many coutries.
I also am aware of your neo liberal views which are very far my own so I am not expecting tha twe would agree on this one.

I just know that neo liberal policies have hurt women the most by cutting subsidies, especially for the single mothers, abused women who now have to stay with their abusive partners/husbands -what's good about that? I am lost here.

Or it could be big cuddly looking creatures that will tear you to shreds if you turn the TV off in the middle of a game

yes, I just get carried away...

Szarlotka,

if that's who you want to be that's OK. I am starting to get tired of this simplified version of men these days.
I don't believe it and I don't buy it. The reason women don't watch that much TV is probably that they are doing more work around the house and simply don't have time.
Besides TV is not really that beneficial for us

hey.. I love watching TV.. thats why I need a cleaner!

I must learn not to be so flippant
I must learn not to be so flippant
I must learn.....

Oh, you get the picture miranda......

TV in general is awful - on that we agree.

Szarlotka,

I am sorry, I get the picture. I get really serious when feminist issues are at stake.
I watch some american and canadian sitcomes and all the men are portayed there as Pandas. I don't find it funny bit very unjust for men in general.
My father is almost 80 and he cooks and cleans by himself because my mother is no longer there. He doesn't miss her cleaning or cooking, he misses her company.
(I am off topic here

I understand miranda. It was a bit thoughtless of me to stereotype for the sake of a cheap laugh. Sorry

i thought you mean neocon ?



Yes the situation of single mothers is bad, but it is bad everywhere for them and there should be improvement that should go in hand with abortion laws.. And abusive husbands/partners should be dealt with....police force, like abuses in general.

I watch some american and canadian sitcomes and all the men are portayed there as Pandas

Re these cartoon sitcoms, like The Simpsons?

Sorry am i being flippant?

but look what happened to Pandas....they are almost extinct now.
Not a real role model in that sense ?

I think Fred Bomber is speaking dutch or something, sorry pal THIS IS THE POLISH FORUM.

Maax,
I am sorry, I though it was the same, neolib=neocom

Giles,
I didn't mean Simpsons, I mean other, family oriented sitcomes. I generaly watch a lot of public TV.

Maax,
as for role models I think that it's a diffcult time for some men, since the existing ones are not very attractive and mostly removed from reality. Got to dig deeper and on your own most of the time.