Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue?

In order to take equal parts in decision making one needs to truly want to be a part of it. I don't know a single female interested in politics thus I am hazardous to say that the small percentage of women in polish parliament, or in any parliament for that matter, is due to the lack of interest of politics displayed by women.





This whole "Catholic church has so enormous impact on Poles" slogan is a myth really, very often spread by poles themselves. The fact is, that Poles are pretty much religious people (well at least more religious than the westerners) but that doesn't mean that they do whatever the priest says. That could be the case decades ago in small villages, but certainly not now. The catholic church is against contraception, and yet you won't have any problems to buy a condom here. The catholic church is against pornography and yet you will be able to buy a porn paper in every news paper agency, etc... The Catholic Church says that on Friday there shouldn’t be any parties taking place, and yet the clubs and pubs are always packed up with people... Convinced? No? Just think about your polish friends, are they really that blind religious bigots that you may think about them. You will notice that that's just not the case. We are probably more conservative, but still not that orthodox.

As for abortion, I’m just trying to figure out at what point men managed to convince women that this is what they really want. Mostly all those women that say that they are for abortion on request totally change their minds after they are really pregnant. This state just basically puts everything upside down in a woman’s life.

Very often we can hear arguments that men shouldn’t engage in a discussion about abortion because they don’t know anything about being pregnant. Well, a woman that never been pregnant also doesn’t know anything about pregnancy, about what it’s really going to be.

Abortion isn’t an easy problem to solve, but then again, this is how the adult world functions, right? A person that is mature enough to have sex should be mature enough to know that people take responsibilities for their actions. Yeah, easier said than done. I was faced by a similar problem when I was a student and 19. I was seriously thinking about avoiding this responsibility. About taking an easier path. I can tell you two things at this point: firstly, I would never judge a person that would choose abortion. Secondly, a woman at that time needs support from her loved ones and not “help” from the abortion clinic stuff.

But then again, what do I know. I’m just a man…



Poland has the smallest birth rate among all the EU countries, so I would think that they will try to leave the things as they are now.

Sadly, most people would be outraged if we would start performing abortions on cats and dogs. People view pets differently than humans.

I am confused. Recently, the BBC in the US had a case of a woman who wanted to keep her embryo for implantation but her former partner said no. This is how some fathers feel with the abortion issue. They have no say in what happens to their embryos. Sorry, I took many philosophy and ethics classes in the US. Any opinions????

Why would you get a cat or dog an abortion, if it would be a lot cheaper to just get them spade/newdered ( spelling is probably wrong, not everyday words for me )

It is just a question. What I was trying to say that the visual of several puppies being sucked out would be more repulsive to some people than an actual abortion on a baby.


People are more concerned about animal life than human life. Humanity should be concerned with both. That is the message of Saint John Paul II.

this is wide open for interpretation

Thanks for the replys Mat, alot of interesting points.

especially given the amount of mind control the catholic church has over Poles, especially the old, infirm and mentally unsound.

This is kinda in reference to Radio Maria.

Catholic church would more than probably protest here, as father Rydzyk, the owner of Radio Maryja, is beyond their jurisdiction, but yeah, I’ll have to agree, that he has a big influence on the elderly people. I have to note here though, that they are basically the only social group under this influence.

True but I'm sure they have a disproportionate representation when it comes to voting. Which would explain why the PO did not get in.

Yep, there are the most disciplined social group when it comes for voting. But still there are to few of them to make a difference.

The UK expects teenages pregnancies to decline, they now offering the morning after pill in schools, good thing or bad thing?

I understand what Mr M is saying but women are the ones at the end of the day who are going to have to live with whatever they decide to do, a man on the other hand is not going to mentally scared by an abortion or have to live with an unwanted child, Im not saying that a man is not going to be unaffected at all but not to the degree the woman is.

Dayumn. When did that happen??

In the US it seems as some teens aren't even getting abortions. They're too scared, so they just kill the baby. One was just found last week in a black garbage bag on her back porch. Do these sort of derranged things happen often in the UK or PL?

its happened alright around europe a few times ive caught it in the news, so god knows it could be much worse :/

The Church shouldn't enter into i think. All churches vary in there interference in these matters and i do respect the right to life. I personally would try every avenue to avoid it.

But i am not about to force my opinion and beliefs on others, especially about such a serious, huge and personal matter. It is up to them.

I may not agree with there decision - it is theres, not mine, to make. Its apart of living in a free society. and we as a society have not come to a standard ideal regarding abortion (it has been around for centuries)

It does happen in the UK, but I dont think its very common to kill the baby. Its much more common to leave the baby on a doorstep of a church or hospital or even a bus shelter, most are found before they die and are either reunited with their mothers or taken into care.. most of the mothers are teenagers.

Slightly off topic I know, but is it true that vasectomies are illegal in Poland?

? seriously ?

I recall reading somwhere that they are under some old Family Planning Act law. Just looking to see if my memory is failing again.

This is the act but I'm not sure whether it's enforced.

the Family Planning, Protection of Human
Foetus and Conditions for Termination
of Pregnancy Act of 1993

women rights?

We have the "Safe Haven" law which also allows this, but people are still scared, so black trash bags and dumpsters are the desired alternative. Sad world we live in sometimes.

This a very dear topic for me. My mother had a very hard choice to make and I'm thankful she has made the right choice. I thank God everyday for the precious gift I have been given My LIFE. My mother had hyper active thyroid and cervical cancer while she was pregnant with me. All the doctors told her to abort me because it would be too difficult for her and she couldn't go thru theraphies. She went to one very wise doctor who told her "I have seen women who were healthy and gave birth and died and women who were in worse conditions gave birth and lived." "You must decide!" She did and as my father says, "She put me through hell!!!" The strange thing is after she had me the cancer just disappeared but Mom says God was testing her as to what she would do and he liked her decision. Anyway I just wanted to add my two cents worth.

its a touching story piekne



makes me cringe, but you know, the older i get, the more sense it makes...if i was to go down that road. id rather that than abortion. if it came down to it.

Yes, I gave a lovely speech about myself in college and had everyone crying by the end of Speech class. Abortion is too dear of a topic for me. I don't ever see myself being able to do that because I value life too much. Just my thoughts.

Just like I have an issue with people hating each other. I mean we all bleed the same, cry the same, feel love, joy, and pain the same but are taught to hate each other because of skin color, nationality, looks, etc. What give??? I guess the only time we don't feel the hate is when we are born and when we die because we are truly alone during those moments.

i believe that!



feel you here!

I appreciate your openess, it is a very special life that leaves themselves open to the often cruel world. Do you do tai chi or yoga or something like that? You are very in touch with your spirituality and are also very calm and rational

Can i ask your views on 'vasectomy'?

Nope, I just get on my knees!!

i took that the 'wrong' way first hehehe (sorry :P)

but then realised what you meant

thats cool, may i also recommend tai chi, i think you'll find great energy and a part of you you never knew

Is there an idea of separation of Church and State in Europe? Ot is a church-state led government more the "norm"?

MY fault I should be more specific especially on this forum. I pray a lot, although lately I have been neglecting my daily prayers and see how I suffer if I don't get on my knees.

I'll check into it. Thanks!!!

Polish President Loses Loyalty Vote As Poland's Government Splits - Speaker Dismissed:

masterpage.com.pl/outlook/200704/losesvote.html

oh yes! church and state MUST remain seperate entities! it is evident in the past that the church cannot wield power (holy wars etc)

Let the church focus on spiritual matters and not conquest.

interesting story. ive no problem with parliment failing out like this but i stand by the statement the church has no place in the parliment.