Abortion - how is the Polish government going to deal with this issue?

Well, there are no priests in Polish parliament, however there is a group of people that are definitely influenced by religion, just as there is a group of hard-line atheists. Both groups represent parts of polish society so I guess that they both have the right to be present in the parliament.

thats an important improvement over the past. par example when the pope commanded armies :/ nothing spiritual about that, just power, power, power.

Not that I know of, people leave babies on hospital steps or in churches, or in places they will be found, they dont kill them, I have never read anything in the paper to indicate this.

Well said

What you say on this...


Abortion lessons for schoolchildren

08.09.06

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23366118-details/Abortion+l essons+for+schoolchildren/article.do


Even for the age of five?

Waaaay too young to learn about this stuff. TheDude thinks all students should go through sex ed ages 13+

Absolutely

Oh its quite easy a guy saying this, Crow have you ever got a girl pregnant? would you want your 13 year old daughter being told how to put a condom on a man?

I don't think it would start here(condom) when I was in HS it was given every year. Sex education isn't only about putting a condom on a banana orally...oh did I just say that You should start somewhere though. I would think that they should learn about conception first, and then the responsibilites of becoming an adult.

sex education is important and a political minefield which is why its SOOO bad in nearly every country. However, the issue of sex education cannot prevent rape.

and how Poland deals with abortion, sex education is not the main area to focus in on (but an area nonetheless)

the article crow posted too, shows that sex education in secondary schools is optional,that parents can keep there children out or in of it, which i think is much fairer than no sex education at all.

I agree. Fairness is always good with TheDude

I do think that every school should offer it. Otherwise it's the parents responsibility.

I will honstly admit I am out of my depth on this one because I had a very strict upbringing and my niece is a sweet child at 15 (not developed and involved in lots of activities and no time for boys) and as a woman I would rather my daughter be brough up like I was "with the fear of father" oh "and brothers" oh "a strict catholic upbringing" it worked for me

exactly and parents then can allow the child to attend or not then BUT at least the facility is available

Sorry to hear this A. It must've been tough upbringing. Doesn't something traumatic like this still have an effect on your perception of us men? I'm sure it worked for you, but some people aren't so strong and it can ultimately have a lifelong effect.

It's things like these that make me nervous to be a parent.

Scared of their parents.

its unfortunate that some of these young teens resort to this, eventually they get
caught, not enough education was given apparently to this teen. in each case
when they do find them, they are charged as adults. it isnt like anything isnt done
about it. unfortunately, these children who are born, could have went to an adoptive
family and nothing like this would have occured. so I do blame the parents for not
discussing enough.

And sometimes the fear of father is instilled in these girls who will do anything
to hide this from their father.

But it isnt just the girls who are to blame, dont forget the boy involved who must
have decided along with this girl this was their only options.

or perhaps he wasnt taught to be more abstinant <~spelling please?
young men also have a great deal to do with this, but it seems the young girls
fault for baggin it up.

I would think both need some heavy education on what /how/ who, and help that
they should seek if pregnancy should occur. but mostly to just not have sex at all
and show them outcomes like these and what could happen in the long run by legal
matters..

i can agree to this, some parents just wont discuss it.



your right here!!



not always true, it does happen that the girl takes it all upon herself to hide it from the world.
it is possible and has happened that boys/men never hear about it (in certain circumstance)
like those celebraties who get women turning up saying this child they never knew about is theres



you can teach men this, trouble is the hormones really do override the male brain at this age.
a minority sure, can be abstainant but all can be educated to 'precaution' and that they can and should come ask for help (that applies to both gender of course)



yep! and parents then can decide to allow the child attend the lesson or not, then the responsibilty falls to them

You don't know the circumstances, so this can only be a guess...a good one, but never know.

You can't assume that secrets aren't hidden from them. If a girl is willing to hold it from her parents, why wouldn't she from the boy as well?


Thank you.

Educate Educate Educate!

For an overseas preparation, I was forced to be educated by our military on sex education. This I thought was rediculous until I learned that a lot of the guys in there had no idea about sex (except what goes where) or protection. These were guys 18-24. You'd wonder where the hell their parents were.

agree, I talk to my girls, both have had sex education, but I also talk with them about
it, like these type of incidences. the outcome.

Some parents dont take the time.

I would wonder, 18-24 you would think they already took a dip in the pool

Most of them already had kids. That's the sad part.

oh so they jumped in the pool with steamed up goggles on LOL

I am kidding, Education can be at any age. No matter the courses.

I will tell you something...

Man which isn`t capable to put condom on himself must be an idiot and I wouldn`t like that idiots have anything with my daughter (if I can be lucky to have one).


On the other side, I would expect that my daughter avoid to have anything with man which isn`t responsible to understand that protective measures are important.

I would also expect that she has her own protective measures and not to wait that somebody else protect her.

It`s not easy. It`s life

Can I ask is it acceptable in educated, liberated, sophisticated societies that we carry out 2350 murders a day, thats nearly 100 an hour.. yes thats true in N America, Europe & Australia as a society we acknowledge murder and accept it as day to day life.. ovcourse many people who carry out the killing feel 'bad' but.. as a whole in our societies we accept it.. Poland really is a wonderful European nation, it has suffered thick and thin over the many years but has been triumphant becasue of its courage and will power to succeed as a moral nation.... Abortion is bad,, this awful murder that is justified is baaaaaaaaaaad.. Poland needs the support of moral people to continue its struggle in maintaing its values..

taking life is no ones right

Was the best contraceptive, dont do it you wont get pregnant and you dont have to face your parents is what I meant when I wrote it.

yes, wait for marriage is better. Also, is not so difficult to follow. The right man will support on this

I think finding the person you know you will spend the rest of your life with is important, marriage is just a piece of paper (I know too many friend that have been divorced to believe that this is the perfect way of life), what is important is committment and love.

Abortion has been around for a long time, its just missused these days, an easy option for careless people.