I am not Polish enough :-(

As to Germans you give an example of colonists. As to Polish speaking people in Litwa. the majority was formed by native szlachta that could speak Polish and used it in pyblic places since 1696. By the way, in 18 century the petitions in Grodno tribunale from little szlachta nearly always have signs of national Belarus language.
But even if sarmats from Litwa knew a perfect Polish that doesn't signify they thought about themselves they were not only Pospolitny people but also Poles.
Belarus cities are speaking Russian mainly but in you ask anybody if he is Russian he'll respond No I'm Bielorussian. Only some intellectuals cultivate local language (its numbe grows) but everydody is Bielorussian

I suspest you exagerate the number of such emigrants. They were but not as much as people who could speak Polish in 18 century.
The surnames should be also mentioned. They are in many cases of Ruthenian origin and couldn't appear in Poland. People with some surnames didn't live abroad Litwa for centuries.

Only the examples of three ancestors' families I managed to learn the past untill 17 century: Lukianski (first L is Polish I can't type), Onichimowski and Hryncewicz.
They all (ancestors) lived only in Litwa.
Lukianski isn't a Polish surname I was told. In Poland it could be something as Luczanski.

Onichimowski as I suppose is polonized version of Anisimowicz (from Ruthenian name of Anysim). As far as I know The place the family appeared was in Wolkowysk (to South from Grodno). I took in Internet telephones of People with such surname in Poland. Two persons are Warszawa residents. Others live in ex German territories that means they all are from "Kresy"

Hryncewicz as I was told by experts in Polish and Bielorussian is also of Ruthenian origin.

I found some other surnames of ancestors I didn't manage to discover the past.

Stryewski - otger people with such surname I found have origin only in Oszmjany powiat Golszany gmin my grand-grand-grandmothet with that surname was resident.

Szymont - the end of that surname (mont) shows its Baltic origin not Polish one.

There were some other surnames I don't know the origin: Jacunski, Szyszlo. If they are even 100 per cent Polish that is the minority.

You see that is a common family from "Kresy".

Łukiański is a Polish surname , some belonged to the herb Jasieńczyk

Hryncewicz is a Ruthenian-Polish surname they belonged to herb Przegonia

ONICHIMOWSKI is also a Polish surname – Herb Kotwica

it looks like you are more Polish than you thought

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ŁUKAŃSKI / LUKIAŃSKI family where under HERB PRZYJACIEL
not herb Jasieńczyk


sorka

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My ancestors Lukianski were of Herb Pszjaciel - Friend
Onichimowski of Herb Lubicz
Both mentioned in their documents to Departament Geroldii in Saint Petersbourg (confirmations of 1851 and 1852 correspondently). Also mentioned by count Seweryn Uruski
Hryncewicz yes of Przegonia

As to Polish origin, what are your reasons for such conviction?
Besides that I find it very doubtful that herbs were received bu admission to clans. There are many researches claiming that in Litwa everything was more simple and one shouldn't pay much attention to herbs in case of Litwa

could also be Strzyewski or Stryjewski

By the way Uruski describes Lukianski PRZYJACIEL as proceeding fron Ruthenian Wolyn family Pawlowicz. Ruthenians with Polish surname?

I don't think one should put in doudt that:
1. There were in Litwa native bojary and semjany of Ruthenian and Zemajtian origin.
2. They were quite numerous and in 15-16 centuries its number multiplicated considerably.
3. They could speak Polish as well as Ruthenian.
4. They considered Litwa to be their Fatherland. They didn't consider they were from Crown.
They were Litwins and Litwins weren't Poles in that time

I'm not an expert. Please correct me if I am wrong. It is quite uneasy to learn such details away fron Poland without Polish language.
But I thought Pole and Litwin were in 15-18 centuries quite a different terms and Litwin never was Pole

Stryjewski/ I have marriage record of 1816

True.

such nationalistic concepts of being purely Polish or Lithuanian are fairly new.



surnames ending with icz represent only 2.5 % of all Polish surnames and they are considered to have origanated from Belarus and Litwa.



Litwa, Belarus and other lands were quite muliticultural as there were Lithuanians, Poles, Belarusians, Ruthenians, Germans, Jews and others living there. For example it is said that 10% of Saint Petersburg's population is of Polish origin

But by ground did they all call themselves Litwins?

Not an old one? Of the past?

In 15-18th Century Grand Duchy of Lithuania nationalism was not present and nobles who migrated from one place to another would adapt to a new locality and take local religion, language and culture.

more specifically the owicz/ewicz suffix originally came into Polish from Belarusian

I didn't state there was any hostile type of Nationalism in Litwa.
My only statement is that Pospolity people were divided into Poles and Litwins by living in Crown or Litwa.
The other division was in Religion or rite within the Crown between Lachs (Roman Catholics) and Russins (Orthodox or Greek Catholics). Within Litwa Orthodox and Greek Catholics also were called Russins but as to Roman Catholics, I don't know their name but doubt that Lachs. And the name of Litwins was common with all Litwa citizens

I am 0% polish, but when "plugged into" my girlfriend I am 50% Polish and 3X more intelligent also.

And we can all notice your intellectual "growth" reading your post

That was the gayest thing I've ever heard in my life, unless your female in which case I'm flattered.

Danny said the truth! O.o
truhlei ist just jealous, cuz he hasnt got polish gf ;p

Gay isn't a phenomenon of Poland or Russia. Our Nations even forbid gay manifestations.
That's your challenge, in past moral Irich state.

Obviously u dont know whats mean "gay" in Danny's statement.

But I am not sure this topic is a place for such jokes. People with Polish-speaking ancestors discuss how they imagine their origin... That is a serious topic for many people abroad Poland

O.o
Ok, im out of it. Im happy 100% polish chick;p

A lovely Polish girl sat on my ..blank...

Qacer

Are there few forums you can discuss this? Is it so important to write it here?

Sorry mate.. I was just being light hearted about beckski's question. To me it is kind of personal to answer something like that, so for all I care, I could have very well made up my response. ... I would delete my post if I knew how.

This is too funny!! What was the topic again? lol .............oh like Spyrytus.......I'm 100% Polack too!! This forum is going to be quite an adventure.

Talking about endings of last names..............what about "ski" and "lek" I don't have the "l" with the slash going through it feature on my computer. Thanks