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MrSlap [Guest]
Edited by: MrSlap  Nov 25, 08, 17:38  #31

It's pretty scary hearing the denials of Polish pogroms against Jews. And it's funny reading the, "But what about this or that," in response. So other countries committed crimes too, so that makes pogroms against Polish Jews no big deal, then? Sick.


How many stories are there of Jewish helping Polish?

You what? They were being systematically obliterated by one of the most evil regimes in history, you stupid girl.


Of all the victims Polish paid just as high a price as Jewish.

Really, more than 90% of ethnic Poles were exterminated by the Nazis in death camps? Are you sick in the head, plain stupid, or just grotesquely anti-Semitic? Maybe that Israeli Prime Minister was right, after all.

Enjoy your celebration of genocide (Thanksgiving), celinski :) Or maybe you like to ignorantly overlook the genocide of Native Americans as much as you do for Jews.

 
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Bzibzioh
Edited by: Bzibzioh  Nov 25, 08, 19:13  #32

MrSlap:
It's pretty scary hearing the denials of Polish pogroms against Jews.


It's very easy to get all mighty and judgmental sitting today safely in front of the computer. In time of turmoil and war lines got blurred. Ones I talked to a Polish woman of Jewish origin who as a teenager survived Warsaw ghetto. She was surprisingly very calm and philosophical about this very topic. She told me that she saw every possible combination: Jews betraying other Jews, Poles betraying other Poles, Poles betraying Jews, Jews betraying Poles.

Of course there were incidents of Poles killing Jews during and after war. As well as Jews killing Poles. Everyone tried to survive somehow or even the score or simply let himself being manipulated. Important thing today is to learn from the past and be smarter for the future.

 
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plk123
Edited by: plk123  Nov 25, 08, 20:55  #33

ZZamoyski:

Where do you get your facts from?

trigger pullers


MrSlap:

Really, more than 90% of ethnic Poles were exterminated by the Nazis in death camps? Are you sick in the head, plain stupid, or just grotesquely anti-Semitic? Maybe that Israeli Prime Minister was right, after all.

3 mil and 3 mil dude.. hard numbers no percentages

MrSlap:

just grotesquely anti-Semitic?

just drop that bs.

 
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Easy_Terran ♦ GOLD MEMBER
  Nov 25, 08, 22:23  #34

MrSlap:

hearing the denials of Polish pogroms against Jews

Who's denying? Where?

MrSlap:

And it's funny reading the, "But what about this or that,"

No, not funny at all. Simple physics. Action - reaction.
Pogroms didn't happen out of thin air.

MrSlap:

pogroms against Polish Jews no big deal

Again, who says so?

Little advice to you: world isn't black and white. Read Bzibzioh's comment about the Jewish woman.

PS. "you stupid girl sick in the head, plain stupid, or just grotesquely anti-Semitic"
Very original way of starting off on a forum....

 
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Ozi Dan
  Nov 26, 08, 04:35  #35

Easy_Terran:

PS. "you stupid girl sick in the head, plain stupid, or just grotesquely anti-Semitic"
Very original way of starting off on a forum....


The likes of this lady come and go in the forum ET. The point's been argued by smarter people than him and they, as will this lady, eventually lose the argument and we hear no more of them.

 
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celinski
  Nov 26, 08, 06:33  #36

Ozi Dan:

The likes of this lady come and go in the forum


If you say so, I never was one to worry about the popular vote. It is difficult to loose arguments on facts. Is there one point you do not aggree with?

MrSlap:

They were being systematically obliterated by one of the most evil regimes in history, you stupid girl.


Yes, just as Polish were from two of the most evil regimes in history. Yet you feel they were able to save all the Jewish victims, they were not. You point the finger at the very people that were fighting for your home.

Bzibzioh:

Of course there were incidents of Poles killing Jews during and after war. As well as Jews killing Poles. Everyone tried to survive somehow or even the score or simply let himself being manipulated. Important thing today is to learn from the past and be smarter for the future.


Fantastic points.


MrSlap:

Really, more than 90% of ethnic Poles were exterminated by the Nazis in death camps? Are you sick in the head, plain stupid, or just grotesquely anti-Semitic?


To hear that Poland paid the same price as Jewish makes one anti-Semitic? Interesting, I am not asking for 1/2 the Holocaust funds, why do you deny the cost to Polish?

MrSlap:

Enjoy your celebration of genocide (Thanksgiving), celinski :) Or maybe you like to ignorantly overlook the genocide of Native Americans as much as you do for Jews.


Thank you, are you referring to the genocide of "turkey Lurky". I hate to take your ammo, my mom is "Mic Mac". Next...

 
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celinski
  Nov 26, 08, 12:02  #37

ZZamoyski:

The confusion here is that non-Poles see Jews and Poles.

Poles see Polish Jews and Poles.

There is a difference in perception.


I'm not sure about in Europe but here in USA the Holocaust USHMM.org leave out non Jewish victims from Poland. While the Polish were silenced as to killings of non Jewish by Soviet occupation. Jewish were able to tell and speak. They were safe to ask for the ones responsible be held accountable. They had their stories documented and we teach what took place to our children in school.

Non Jewish lets see, we still have many that see Soviets as liberators of Poland vs. the truth "occupiers". Today in Russia they can teach that they saved the Polish. That Stalin was a hero. If Germany did that with "Nazi's" (as we just saw) Russia is the first one at the UN screaming for "Anti-Nazi" reform.

I guess what I am saying is that the Jewish are the group that want a line divided. Being called Anti-anything should not be a useage. We are all people and as the western Poland we were fighting and seeing one history unfold, the eastern side was seeing another version. In the east we went from being killed by Soviets to having to be allies. Fighting beside the ones that killed our family members. We then see our country taken over by them.

 
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Ozi Dan
  Nov 26, 08, 16:08  #38

celinski:

Ozi Dan:
The likes of this lady come and go in the forum


If you say so, I never was one to worry about the popular vote. It is difficult to loose arguments on facts. Is there one point you do not aggree with?


Apologies for the confusion ma'am - the post was not in any way negatively referenced to you but to Mrslap.

 
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celinski
  Nov 26, 08, 16:11  #39

Ozi Dan:

Apologies for the confusion ma'am


:) Thank you, I was confused.

 
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