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"Anti Semitism" on the rise by whom?
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celinski
Edited by: celinski  Mar 24, 08, 10:53  #1
Group,

As I see things moving toward the "full truth" coming to light I
can't help but notice the usage of "Anti Semitism". All one needs to
do is question history at USHMM.org United States Holocaust Memorial
Museum, and low and behold you are "Anti Semitic". In the USA this is
a serious issue. If in fact you are being "Anti Semetic" you are able
to be labled under hate crimes.

When they say "Anti Semitism" is on the rise in the US and Poland, I
fear they are right. What they neglect to say is that the usage of
this "Anti Semitism" as a word is up due to "Holocaust" groups
screaming it loud and clear simply as a means to not answer
questions. Am I the only one that can see this as a tactic being
used?
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Seanus
  Mar 24, 08, 10:55  #2
youtube.com/watch?v=7f01IBDoZGg&feature=related, this guy is right on the money. Pat Condell has many videos on, yup u guessed it, Youtube
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celinski
  Mar 24, 08, 11:43  #3
Seems to me it's the ones running the "Holocaust" that are using the term to freely. Question the facts that they use to report history being off and you are not able to speak. You would think being a trillion dollar business they would shoot for accuracy.
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shopgirl
  Mar 24, 08, 12:11  #4
celinski wrote:
All one needs to
do is question history at USHMM.org United States Holocaust Memorial
Museum, and low and behold you are "Anti Semitic".


I think this says a lot about our over-the-top political correctness which has become another form of censorship, more than anything else.

If anything, I think people will shout more loudly about the things/people/situations they don't like as a reaction to the pc repression....
People have become fed up with it.
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celinski
  Mar 24, 08, 12:22  #5
Not to mention they can sue you if you ask the wrong question.

'RACIAL HATRED AND DISCRIMINATION'
German Jewish Group Takes YouTube to Court
Germany's leading Jewish group has accused Google and YouTube of hosting anti-Semitic content on its globally popular video site. The group alleges the videos incite racial hatred and discrimination.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,542842,00.html

'INSULTING TO JEWS'
Leading German Rabbi Condemns Pope's Good Friday Prayer
Jewish groups around the world have condemned Pope Benedict XVI's new version of a Catholic Good Friday prayer. SPIEGEL ONLINE talks to prominent German rabbi Walter Homolka about why the prayer is insulting to Jews and discusses alleged anti-Semitic tendencies within the Catholic Church.


Rabbi Walter Homolka: "The Catholic Church does not have its anti-Semitic tendencies under control."
Around the world, millions of Catholics are celebrating Good Friday, when they commemorate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. But for many Jews, this year's ceremonies leave a bitter aftertaste, due to a controversial new version of a prayer that many claim is anti-Semitic.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,542872,00.html
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EbonyandBathory
  Mar 24, 08, 13:07  #6
These things, whether you consider them innocent or not, lead to devision. So when I hear that Anti-Semitism is on the rise, and I see this thread, I can believe it. Let's not make this a Us vs. Them issue or than truly we are lost.
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lesser
  Mar 24, 08, 13:13  #7
celinski wrote:
When they say "Anti Semitism" is on the rise in the US and Poland, I
fear they are right.


Look, some organizations exist only because this eternal rise of anti-Semitism everywhere, thus they would find this anti-Semitism even in Antarctica among penguins if necessary. Just ignore them.

shopgirl wrote:
If anything, I think people will shout more loudly about the things/people/situations they don't like as a reaction to the pc repression....
People have become fed up with it.


Absolutely right, personally I don't waste an opportunity :)
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celinski
  Mar 24, 08, 13:17  #8
Then why are we segregated? I don't understand why it's considered acceptable to exclude so many victims? I hold no issues with the Jewish victims and in fact I consider them also lost in the "Holocaust" hipe. All one must do is try to add history to the museums in the USA to see how un educated we are in reguards to history.
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lesser
  Mar 24, 08, 13:27  #9
Such business is controlled by some groups and you cannot change it. If you really care abut it then you should gather some group of people whom share your views and try together create project that would show unbiased version of history. Just don't count on any public funds...
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celinski
  Mar 24, 08, 13:32  #10
celinski wrote:
gather some group of people whom share your views


It's not to hard to find groups that were victims of the Holocaust and non Jewish, the hard part is getting our museums to see this.
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polishcanuck
  Mar 24, 08, 16:11  #11
celinski wrote:
When they say "Anti Semitism" is on the rise in the US and Poland, I
fear they are right.


Anti-semitism is on the rise globablly, not just poland and the US. Half of all anti-semitic attacks took place in western europe for example.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1334791720080314?feed Type=RSS&feedName=politicsNews
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SouthOfDaThames
  Mar 24, 08, 16:34  #12
shopgirl wrote:
I think this says a lot about our over-the-top political correctness which has become another form of censorship, more than anything else.


I agree. I'm certainly not anti-Semitic for obvious reasons, but all this "hate crime" stuff is getting out of hand... since when did someone get attacked by someone who liked them a lot? Does it really matter why you beat someone up - whether you beat them up because of their skin/religion/sexuality, etc, or simply because you didn't like their attitude or because they ripped you off or something - I say of course not, the end result is that someone got hurt, and needs to be punished. *Why* they were hurt is of secondary importance, yet the crime is suddenly considered far worse than it used to be! But, as we are seeing in the UK at present, it's a lot easier to catch and penalise homophobes, racists or speeding motorists than it is to track down organised crime bosses, muggers, rapists or paedo scum.

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joepilsudski
Edited by: joepilsudski  Mar 24, 08, 17:03  #13
My suggestion...Ignore the Jews, as much as possible...let them do their thing, as long as it doesn't infringe on other peoples rights...of course, they have they're hands in the worlds pocket, so this can be difficult...but as far as their propaganda goes, ignore it...if they force it on anyone, tell them to join the rest of the human race, or go to hell...'anti-semitism' is just a smear term they use for people who express honest opinions about them...and, understand, they are not even Semites...learn the meaning of words...now, Israel is a problem, with their nuclear arsenal, and their gangster/dirty tricks Mossad...but, you will find that Israel will show it's cowardly nature when the world stands up to them...other countries have nuclear weapons, too, and Israel is a VERY small country...the real problem is the other nations of the world, especially European nations and the US...they all bend down to worship at the altar of Zion, and betray themselves and their own self-interests...look at what Merkel did in Israel the other week...apologizing again to them, while the Israelis continued to crush the Palestinians like roaches...but then I have my questions as to who Merkel really is...but the German people were not happy, and understandibly so.

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EbonyandBathory
  Mar 24, 08, 17:57  #14
joepilsudski wrote:
My suggestion...Ignore the Jews, as much as possible...let them do their thing, as long as it doesn't infringe on other peoples rights...of course, they have they're hands in the worlds pocket, so this can be difficult...but as far as their propaganda goes, ignore it...if they force it on anyone, tell them to join the rest of the human race, or go to hell...'anti-semitism' is just a smear term they use for people who express honest opinions about them...and, understand, they are not even Semites...learn the meaning of words...now, Israel is a problem, with their nuclear arsenal, and their gangster/dirty tricks Mossad...but, you will find that Israel will show it's cowardly nature when the world stands up to them...other countries have nuclear weapons, too, and Israel is a VERY small country...the real problem is the other nations of the world, especially European nations and the US...they all bend down to worship at the altar of Zion, and betray themselves and their own self-interests...look at what Merkel did in Israel the other week...apologizing again to them, while the Israelis continued to crush the Palestinians like roaches...but then I have my questions as to who Merkel really is...but the German people were not happy, and understandibly so.


Looks like Joe just answered the thread's question, Is Anti-Semitism on the rise? Looks like it.
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Grzegorz_
  Mar 24, 08, 18:08  #15
Some people just need "antisemitism" like a fish need water.
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WAKEUPPOLAND2
  Mar 24, 08, 18:35  #16
EbonyandBathory wrote:
Looks like Joe just answered the thread's question, Is Anti-Semitism on the rise? Looks like it.


So all it takes is to menton the word Jew and you are automatically labelled anti-semetic ?
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EbonyandBathory
Edited by: EbonyandBathory  Mar 24, 08, 18:41  #17
I believe suggesting that Jews either "join the rest of the human race or go to hell" is a little more than just mentioning the word Jew. Not mention adding that "anti-semitism is just a smear term that they use for people who express honest opinions about them." Oh and this little dandy, "of course they have they're [HIS GRAMMAR MISTAKE, NOT MINE] hands in the world's pocket." If you can't see that these opinions are just a few steps down the road from "Jews control the world's money," and "Jews made the Holocaust up," then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not calling JoePilsudski an anti-semite in general, but those opinions are clearly anti-semitic. Change the words "Jew" to "Pole" and "Semite" to "Polish" and see how you feel.
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WAKEUPPOLAND2
Edited by: WAKEUPPOLAND2  Mar 24, 08, 18:56  #18
EbonyandBathory wrote:
"Jews control the world's money," and "Jews made the Holocaust up,"


Zionist Jews do control the most of the worlds money supply...

Jews were NOT the only people that died in the holocaust. But they have made up a billion dollar industry to promote the idea that Jews were the only victims of the holocaust. This is the point of Celinski's post.

They use the holocaust survivors to suck billions out of countries and large corporatations.

If we question it or even suggest that Jews were not the only victims, we are labelled Anti-semtic by the propoganda machine which has obviously brainwashed you.

By they way do you know what a Semite is ?
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EbonyandBathory
  Mar 25, 08, 00:16  #19
I understand what you saying. I know as well as anyone that Jews weren't the only ones to suffer during the Holocaust, I work hard to correct people who think this. But when I see people making labels and creating devisions I will note that. I'm about equal treatment and respect, not knocking others creating space and distance.

Semites were ancient people of east-central Asia.
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celinski
  Mar 25, 08, 06:28  #20
EbonyandBathory wrote:
not knocking others creating space and distance.


I don't feel I am knocking, if I am then I am sorry. Why a need for space and distance? A trillion dollar "Holocaust" with museums, commisions and more organizations than one can keep tract of. Yet with all this in place they are offended if asked questions. If they wanted this space and distance I fear a museum was not the best method to afford them this distance.
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isthatu
  Mar 25, 08, 06:57  #21
SouthOfDaThames wrote:
but all this "hate crime" stuff is getting out of hand... since when did someone get attacked by someone who liked them a lot?

"Nobody move,you are surrounded by armed bas terds! "
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EbonyandBathory
  Mar 25, 08, 10:26  #22
celinski wrote:
I don't feel I am knocking, if I am then I am sorry

My criticisms aren't pointed directly at you, celinski. Your intentions are honorable, in fact, it seems that everyone intentions on this thread are honorable. Poles just want recognition for their suffering, I get that. I want it to, its just that my warning would be not to create a "us vs. them" mentality or give in to resentment. Remember, the enemy was and is Hitler and Stalin, not the Jews who have benefited from the suffering since. Plus, while I can't speak for anybody, I believe given the chance, Jews would much rather trade in "their trillion dollar" Holocaust industry for a world where the Holocaust didn't happen at all.
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celinski
  Mar 25, 08, 10:47  #23
EbonyandBathory wrote:
enemy was and is Hitler and Stalin,


I hate to admit this but I find the USA has been a factor in defining "Holocaust" . In the "United States Holocaust Memorial Museum" I am told "Stalin" and "Soviet" crimes are not in "Holocaust". This is where I challenge the system we have in place. Until the US can add the crimes committed in the east we are not doing justice to history.

EbonyandBathory wrote:
not the Jews who have benefited from the suffering since.


What I find is the "Jewish" victim's themselves are also not really the true people who have received compensation. So where is all this money ending up. A lot of corruption, theft, unaccounted $$$ and a full story yet to be told.
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plk123
  Mar 25, 08, 10:49  #24
anti semetism is a reaction to some of this BS put out by the zionists.
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EbonyandBathory
Edited by: EbonyandBathory  Mar 25, 08, 10:51  #25
The problem is that the true story wouldn't fit the Ameircan fairy tale of WW2. In America's history Russia didn't go bad until after the war. How could America, who has prided itself on "liberating Europe" during World War II admit that it was Allies with one of the most ruthless murderers in the history of the planet? In short, it can't.

plk123 wrote:
anti semetism is a reaction to some of this BS put out by the zionists.


Words fail me.
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celinski
  Mar 25, 08, 11:34  #26
EbonyandBathory wrote:
In short, it can't.



I don't see where it has a choice. As much as Russia must admit (and Ukraine) to wrong doing, USA must lead the way. When I see Pres. Putin's behavior IMO he is running from the past. His threats and temper tantrums and stand off segregates him from the truth. The sooner the truth gets placed on the table and put into perceptive, the sooner respect can move forward for a nation living lies.
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plk123
  Mar 25, 08, 11:42  #27
EbonyandBathory wrote:
Words fail me.

why?
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EbonyandBathory
  Mar 25, 08, 11:56  #28
celinski wrote:
USA must lead the way. When I see Pres. Putin's behavior IMO he is running from the past. His threats and temper tantrums and stand off segregates him from the truth. The sooner the truth gets placed on the table and put into perceptive, the sooner respect can move forward for a nation living lies.


I completely agree with you. And it's not as if America wont bring up Russia's wrong doings, in fact, it's one of the USA's favorite things to do, however, during World War II, as an Ally, the Soviet Union gets a pass from America for helping them win the war. This is starting to change, however, and Soviet war atrocities are become more publicized in the states.

plk123 wrote:
EbonyandBathory wrote:
Words fail me.

why?


Because I haven't the foggiest how someone comes to honestly believe what you said.
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plk123
  Mar 25, 08, 12:02  #29
it's the truth though. i have no issues with jews unless they spew crap.

EbonyandBathory wrote:
the Soviet Union gets a pass from America for helping them win the war.

wasn't it in fact the other way around?
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celinski
  Mar 25, 08, 13:28  #30
No, USA never took control of Poland.
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