"Anti Semitism" on the rise by whom?

EbonyandBathory wrote:

Looks like Joe just answered the thread's question, Is Anti-Semitism on the rise? Looks like it.

If telling the truth about the Jews is 'anti-semitism' than I am guilty...the Jews are the most selfish & self-centered people in the world, as a nation...but please, if you are an intelligent man, do not call Jews Semites, because in the case of the Eastern Jews, this is just incorrect...in fact, for the most part, Jews are the biggest
anti-Semites in the world.

You're right, how could I have considered you to be anti-Jewish. My mistake. I am so silly sometimes.

then what i sadi is correct unless you weren't answering to my post.

Well, USA allowed someone else to take control :)

Anti Semitism (let's not discuss the purity of this term because this is not the point), anti gay, anti black, anti polish, etc. exists and will unfortunately exist for foreseeable future. Some of the posts here can serve as evidence. Re-examining history will not help, but hurt the betterment of the situation. There certainly were misdeeds on all sides; pointing them out aggravates most of people and fuels mistrust, discomfort and even hatred. If someone wants to believe that only Jews suffered Holocaust they will do so and no convincing is going to help since they believe in something that is not rational. One cannot reason with irrational person. This same applies to a thought that only Jews control financial markets. All we can do is live well with and respect others regardless of who they are. If we do just that anti-whatever will take care of itself.

What if some people take advantage of the general 'live and let live' attitude ?

No, I fear this is not correct. It is the truth that will set history in the proper perspective. What are you afraid of? It's the lack of truth that causes issues to be rehashed. Why should such a large % of the victim's be left out of the picture? Everyone is aware of what took place and by whom and until they add the millions of people to the history, the story does not make sense.

Celinski, I understand your point and what I said is just an opinion of one person. I believe that the "general truth" can be derived by common sense e.g. it is a matter of common sense that not only Jews suffered in Holocaust, on the other hand I do fear that we don't know and will never know the specific truth of many specific events e.g. Jedwabne, Kielce, etc. and since we will never know for sure this history will be always questioned by people without common sense. I understand that our predecessors (Jewish, Polish, etc.) suffered and perhaps will never be compensated for their suffering, but if we will not stop this vicious cycle we are risking that our children and grand children will suffer. It is time to put an end to this!

I know that there are people like that; stupidity unlike many people doesn't discriminate so there is plenty of fools on all sides. We should not let anyone "spit in our soup" however the solution should be diplomatic and never directed at general population of any etnicity, but only at those who are violating rights of others. The repercussions should be directed at "Mr. Kowalski" or "Mr. Schwartz" if they are the offenders not at Jews or Poles.

Here in the USA it is a law that our children learn about the "Holocaust" and the text is written by "Holocaust" and it is not accurate. It is for my children I try to have history from not just one point of view but all points. Why is it acceptable for the children to learn about "Nazi" yet leave out the east being attacked from the "Soviets"? When children wonder why Poland's military didn't do more, should they know of the dead military in the eastern woods and the reserve military with there families being shipped to Siberia to slave and die on "Stalin's" orders?

Off course they should know that... now you have to realize that it still is a partial truth. The most important thing to teach our children is to realize that history when presented is never objective or complete, regardless how hard we try. Perhaps what is even more important to teach children is tolerance. I obviously don't have all the answers if I have any at all, but this is what I believe :)

I agree, Shane. Inclusion of Polish victims is a given desire, but not at the cost of intolerance or resentment. If Poles push to hard against Jews on this matter, they are doing the Nazi's work for them. I feel that many on this thread are arguing different sides of the same point, that Poland, especially in America, is underepresented in history books, in particular during World War II. My only request is that while we work to remedy that, we don't repeat the crimes and ideas of the original wrongdoers.

This is a very important point. IMO when attempting to have open conversations with the museums they are quick to assume. I mean them harm and before even hearing me out I am told I am anti semitic? This has been reported as treatment to others as well as myself. Working as a team is what is needed or at the very least open communication.

The Holocaust and the War in general left so many with nothing but pain and distrust. The Holocaust is such a hot button issue that defensiveness is natural, what's important is that Poles present themselves as justice and truth seekers, not as diminishers of other victims.

I humbly beg forgiveness for my vicious 'anti-semitism'...with this repentance now on the public record, do you think I can work in Hollywood?...I am a top notch musician and composer and would do wonderful film scores!...also, I have a number of screenplays.

Joe, I'm no expert, and at the risk of going off topic, it depends. Talent alone is simply not enough out here. Believe me when I tell you nearly EVERYBODY who lives in Hollywood wants to be in the entertainment industry. Sure, they may have other jobs but they want to be actors/directors/key grips/whatever. If you want to do it, you'd have to move here, be patient, and throw a lot of money at it, and then hope for the best. I don't want to be discouraging because if you have a dream, I say go for it, but realistically, its tough. I don't know much about film scoring other than it's very lucrative if you can get work, but screenplays are one of the "easiest" ways to get your foot in the door. Easiest is relative. But to get into the Writers Guild of America all you have to do is sell one screenplay as opposed to many of the other unions that require jumping through all kinds of hoops and spending thousands of dollars. The most important thing to do as a writer is to meet other writers and try to push your work to people who are important. That's easier said than done. The thing with Hollywood is that it takes four things to get in 1) talent 2) money 3) time and persistance 4) connections. If you don't know anyone, you aren't anyone. You have to schmooze and give your card out and meet people. The business is run quite a bit on favors. Sadly, often those 4 things aren't compatable, but it's possible. Also, in the movie business it wouldn't do any good to be anti-semitic. What with movie executives like Jeffrey Katzenberg, Harvey Weinstein, and so on and so forth. If you're passionate about film scores you might want to do some online research about how to get your name out, because I really don't know anything about that world.

Who was it that said, 'I'm not anti-Semitic, I just don't like the Jews?'. I'm a little tipsy so it could have been me, LOL

Can I please vote for ebonyandbathory as President please? What an all round good egg he is,I tip my hat to you sir.
seanus,there is an Israeli joke along those lines...."Define anti semitism....hating Jews too much..." (maybe youve got to be Israeli to get it fully,dunno ...)

I happily accept the nomination of the "isthatu Party" to run for President and am humbled, sir. Sadly, I'm still 12 years to young to run for top office in America but that gives me a dozen years to fund raise, very pricey running for President. Thank you, isthatu, any fan of "A Bridge Too Far," has a fan in me.

lol,I really must get a avatar of A Bridge Too Far now,seeing as everyone thinks it is already :)( its actually from The Eagle has Landed...;0)

EbonyandBathory wrote:

Also, in the movie business it wouldn't do any good to be anti-semitic. What with movie executives like Jeffrey Katzenberg, Harvey Weinstein, and so on and so forth.

You mean these gentlemen wouldn't appreciate the learned & sanguine observations of one Joe Pilsudski??!!...I was joking a bit, but not about the music & the writing...What you say is all true...I have a few friends who live in Hollywood, and are involved in the business to various extents...One was an assistant producer for the 'reality' TV show 'Gotti's Girls' about the daughter of the late sociopath John Gotti...she is now involved in other ventures, and supplements her income by walking rich people's dogs!...only in America (or should I say Hollywood)...
but I appreciate your comments...by the way, I have worked with many Jews in the music/record business over the years, and for the most part, they were fair and square on all business matters, as much as they could be...'show business' is a rough business...as a post script I will tell a story: My 1st and 2nd wives were both Jewish...the 2nd, named Roni, was a sculptor, and she lived for about a year on a kibbutz in Northern Israel, near Ma'alot...well, anyway, no specific Jewish/Polish issues ever arose with us, even though she kept the Jewish holidays and kept a 'mezzuzah' on our door-jam...we were both, shall we say, 'crazy'...but I do recall
having a Passover dinner with her extended family...at the time, I subscribed to no specific faith, except for a belief in God...and I also had a long beard, like the kind the Chassidim wear...well, looking back on it, I remember many quizzical looks from her family, you know, like 'Who is this man?'...but everyone was very polite and cordial...later on, I suspected that there was some opposition from her family about our relationship.

Anti Semitism on the rise by whom? My guess is the Anti Semites

Oh no! I'm so ashamed. I regretfully announce that I have dropped out the race for the nomination of the "isthatu Party." Because of the Michael Caine-gate scandal I have decided to leave politics and spend more time with my family...

Yes,shamefull mistake there old bean.How can one expect to run for office if one cant tell the difference between a Polish Airborne plk's uniform and an Irish Gds uniform...tsk tsk.....mind you,I shall let you off lightly as you colonials do tend to have a built in problem recognising allies ;)