Does anyone still believe in no sex before marriage?

Don't think I agree with this. It seems to show an ignorant mans point of view. The preservation of live is surely more important. Kimball apears to be saying, if you didn't fight back you are nothing. His words show that he has little understanding of rape.

And I base my thoughts on a particular person I once knew.

No. I respect people who decide to wait as that is a choice they make. I would rather know my man intimately within a loving relationship first, before I married him. You can learn a lot about a man, by the way he treats you in these moments. You could wait and after the marriage find out you are sexually incompatible which could cause a massive strain on your relationship. What if he has loads of kinky fetishes you don't like and you dont feel comfortable with ? Or you are the kinky one and he is really boring in bed ? Or god forbid he doesn't like sex very much and only wants to do it once a week when you want it 5 times a day ? Doomed to failure IF you two don't gel sexually.

I don't even believe in sex after marriage.

Youre possible future wife is in for a hell of a ride NOT ! Poor woman Lol

I beleive sometimes you should wait. but I did not I was raised strict the whole jesus thing. GOD put man and woman here.If your not a virgin go ahead have fun with your partner. I would.

having sex befor marriege gives confusion, why??
when u have sex with different partners in different time, here you start compaire sex with each partner, whish make you obligated to have sex with your partner befor marriage to see if is as good as one or two good sex maker in your past.
i think two vergn couple who have sex after marriage have the most succesfull sex life, if they comunicate ( personel opinion)

one of the benefits of being in a relationship is sex.
i have never known a person to wait to have sex till they get married.
that old way of thinking is long gone.
im sure some people hold out and wait for the right mate, but they are stupid, they are missing out on the simple pleasures God gave us.

are you married? waiting to get laid is not natural, its a b-s religion thing.
if God didnt want us to enjoy what he gave us, why did he give it to us?

nowadays with divorce running rampant, it is just a piece of paper.

its selfish holding out. lets say all men find you too ugly to marry or whatnot, you never plan on having sex then?

yes, i agree. I know many people who are together, live like married ppl, have kids and

don't have 'this paper'. And for them it is still

Sex before marriage?
Aren't there already more than enough things to do in the morning before the service?

its not tradition, its more of the morals you are taught and whats right and wrong
according to who wrote these morals.. we are not born with them, its taught to
us at very young age to wait for sex till after your married. tradition of the wedding
something new something old, etc thats tradition that is carried out by those who
started it.

like the festivals each year, which have nothing to do with sex , but I thought I would
throw that in there.

was it ever a tradition. goes back to morals. and religion which teaches us by
interpretation that having sex before marriage is sin, and we dont want to create more
sin that we will have to confess .. or would we?

traditional depends on the family, the ethnic background, and so on. yes certain
cultures teach this. is it practiced.. depends on the person. what do you believe in?

Sorry Tornado, so when my son at 12 wants to have sex do I let him??
God created sex btwn man and wife, why??
good question and time for a theological teaching.
The reason why a woman bleeds after having sex for the forst time is because if you study hebrew in the OT, which is where the bible came from, anytime there is a covenant
blood is shed, when Jesus died for our sins on the cross he established the new covenant, so thins takes us also from the OT to the NT, God always established a covenant with blood. That is where we get blood brothers and sisters, you know when you cut your finger and your friend does you put them together and forge a convenant.
So God was pretty smart when he did this and there is a reason for this.
Because Marriage is to be sacred and before man , wife and God, but to be the modern people we are we no longer care what God thinks just what we think and that is what we call Self centeredness. We only care for what we want, so i am sorry but religion plays a big role in this, and if you are a bit religious it doesent matter to God who made us, he will let you do what you want, "free will" But in todays world its what we always think that is good. Well that is far from what God says.
I was a virgin when I married, and I was over 30, So if I can do it anyone can, and I wanted God to bless my marriage. And he has, If we work outside of God's plan it usually leads to confusion and frustration. All the problems in the world are a result of Self, all men doing what they want, look at Hitler, because of what he wanted alot ofpeople suffered, look at stalin, chavez will soon oppress those (he already is) who speak out against him. This world is full of self centered people who want it their way, you know Buger King, have it your way.
Wel I have studied the OT and NT, and sex outside of marriage is not what God wants, but if you do, then you have to pay the consequenses of that, and if that is a lack of his blessing, then that is for Hom to decide.
I would hope you would choose His way.

"does it on an empty stomach."

I would hope you would choose His way

Me too. :)

Kaczor Duck, do you think your son at 12 will ask for permission to have sex, get real.

all this talk about God this and that, first off, there is no real proof that there is a God.
secondly, the bible could be nothing more than a fable, kinda like the harry potter series of books.

you say all the problems in the world are because of man, you are correct.
the biggest problem for man in the last 2000 years is religion.
untold hundred of millions of people have been killed in the name of whatever God they believe in.

well I hate to say this, you can teach and teach and teach, but if a boy reaches
a stage in his life where he is under peir pressure and or confusion about his new
physical excitement that he wants to try. and you cant watch him 24/7 unless
your going to follow him on every date or every place he goes , its bound to happen
if he makes the decision.. all we can do is teach and its up to the teen/adult to
make the right decisions when under pressures.

I had a daughter out of wedlock,and anyone says that she is a sin or god doesnt love
her and children are not innocent are idiots.. because god loves children and animals
It will be me answering ... and I think I have done more good in my life that god
can /has forgiven and as long as I hold belief in him whether its in a church or in
my home I think i got things covered! thats my beliefs!

Of course God loves her and forgives you, do you really think we ever suprise God??
Read it again, I said God will let you do what you want, the reason God wants sex inside Marriage is so that he can bless that marriage, and the sin had a result, i am sure that it is not easy, but I am saddened to think that you see you are still doing things on your own, belief is not a concept as you have just said, Patricya, FAITH is what we have, I can believe in anything, even the Devil and his demons believe, But it is faith that makes the difference, and faith is what leads to a healthy relationship with God, If God is your father, and he only wants what is good for you, of course, so that is why faith brings a relationship and if you are not having that relationship, then all it is, is just a belief system with no rules or lines in the sand, if we all believe what we want, then there is no standard for that belief, that isd why he gave us his work as a standard, yeah we fail, and no God does not hate us, he loves us, but wouldnt you like to have his complete blessing?? The only way to know what He thinks not me or anyone else, is to read his word and go to church to find out what he really says, didnt you go to school?
So you learned about ABC's, well think of church as school to learn about God. there is nothing wrong with that. So while you do things by yourself, just remember there are peolpe out there who would love to share their lives with you and help you. Your Daughter is a blessing, if you want what is best for her, take her to church. It will change your life. God Bless.

sure take her to church so some pedophile priest could abuse her.

Pat,
anything we do outside of Gods word is sin, but to keep it light,
really, we need to do our best. when we sin we ae out of what is best for us.
There are always consequenses with sin, so make our choices and do not complain, not you, just making a statement. If we make a mistake, live up to it, grin and bear it..right??
I do, I have made plenty. theres plenty to go around. So this is no way a dump on you, or my last post, it is human nature to sin, alot of people will blame their bad times on God, and then say we are too religious, and that our beliefs are fables, that dosent bother me, there are many more that come behind them who mock God, its no skin off my teeth, and they will find out some day who he really is, they say he does not exist out of pure ignorance, and I dont mean that mean, it is just they dont know what they say is hurting them, not me, or anyone else in the household of faith. Guys, God is real!

kd I am married ,and I dont go to church because the trust in the people who run it
is gone.. to many unholy idiots going around molesting children, and I wont have it.
I know this isnt everyone, but I dont feel ready to commit to something yet. and
with the churches ( each one changing formats) its hard to choose something that
can change so quickly at the drop of a hat its way of teaching. to which made me
not want to go as a young girl and other things that those strong catholics say about
us unwed mothers that makes you realize, it was a man who said it not god. but
the man runs the place of god. so there you have it.

no I am fine for now.

I totally understand why and what make you feel that way, but you know dont throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are many very good churches out there. Many of which would not judge you and what has happened in you rlife. I can tell you with assurance that if you lived near us and went to our church, there is no way in Gods green creation would that happen, you would only find love and acceptance. You know what has happened has happened, so what, people will have to get over it. My brother and sister both had premarital sex and had to marry, so I have experience. And his child has now got his girlfriend pregnant and has had a child out of wedlock, so who sufffers more??
The children do, not the parents. If my brother would have had stronger morals after that, then he could have taken his mistake and helped his child not commit the same error, but he instead divorced and remarried and does not even talk to his son because he talks to his mother, how ridiculous. The Bible is correct when it says that the sins of the fathers passes from generation to generation. Only God can break the chains of that sin and as humans we are going to repeat out sins over and over. So when i look at faith and my boys, i want them to have the best, and of course I have allready talked to my 11 yr old about sex, and you bet ya, i will be talking more to him about it. Yeah, if his wants to he can, but I will continue to let him know what Gods best is for him.
So yes we go to church twice in Sunday and once on Wed. And they are in all the kids events. We have a friend who has 3 girls and another with 2, yo bet we will be taling about sex alot.

the church has brainwashed you well. show one once of proof that God is real.
show one once of proof that the bible is not a fable. i am not mocking God at all, just asking for proof.
personally i have not had many bad times in life, ignorance is assuming that i did.

wow, it is so much to read in this thread....;)

like your brother could stop his son from having sex.
oh wait, the devil made him do it, im sure thats the answer from most bible thumper s.

btw, if God is all loving and such, why does he allow all the wars, killing, famine and sickness?
allowing above to happen when you can stop it is not a loving person.
then again, is there such a thing as a higher power.

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Tell me about it

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You are the difference God makes.

The Book,
Evidence that demands a verdict by josh Mcdowell.

in my forst post,
Man is selfish, and all the wars are from mans egotistical ways, these are not God's.
When God created us he created us with free will, that free will allows you to love him or not at all even believe in him, so there you go you get your way even with God. He wants us to choose to love him.

sorry guys, i am pasionate about my faith. i will keep them short.

I actually was talking about this earlier today. I may be young to think in an "old fashioned" order. I think marriage is important before having children. Actually my order to do things is to finish school, get a full time job..then get married, and eventually have kids if you want. Half of the people i know from high school--since i graduated are livin with their boyfriends or girlfriends AND are expecting a baby or have already had a baby. Cmon, you move out together then one the baby comes you have to move back home cuz u dont have enough money to support the baby. and ur parents have to watch it? Thats not right. Thats why school is the number one priority..even if you dont think it is. Now..prematerial sex is another thing. Of course alot of people have sex before marriage, but cover up ur tracks..dont get pregnant!

oh hell no, now thats a sin..to NOT HAVE SEX when you want to have sex. Marriage or no marriage..if u feel u wanna do it, then do it. Do it all the way! Be responsible and think about consequences ahead of time..as long as ur safe, then go for it.

I have a great aunt and uncle who have been married for 68 years now..i dont even wanna think about what they do. At that age i think you would forget what to do or are so juiced out that u are immune to it. Eww gross.