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lef
  Jan 4, 07, 23:40  #181

Quoting: iwona, Post #178
I don't agree with this statement . We are in EU and we have open market.
Frank is right, is it ok for Polish to work and buy properties in UK but not for English to do it in Poland????????

We were before for so long "closed country" that some English living in Poland will bring only benefits.


You may speak for the 2 million who are trying to feather there own nest working overseas, I wonder what the other 36 million people have to say on this matter, the ones who are having it tough in poland.

They will bring benefits alright, yes, higher house prices and living expenses.

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ROZ
  Jan 5, 07, 01:22  #182

Wonder how much a residence around 1800sqm costs? Preferably near a lake...

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ROZ
  Jan 5, 07, 01:30  #183

Quoting: lef, Post #183
The poles have made limited amount of money working in UK/USA, but they have always been exploited, most have done jobs that nobody else wants to do, and paid less.


Not from my experience. Quite the opposite, actually... Gotta love Capitalism

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iwona
  Jan 5, 07, 02:34  #184

You may speak for the 2 million who are trying to feather there own nest working overseas, I wonder what the other 36 million people have to say on this matter, the ones who are having it tough in poland.

They will bring benefits alright, yes, higher house prices and living expenses.


You don't even live in Poland so why is your concern???????

There will never be lots English people in Poland i don't think we are attractive enough so I don't see the problem.

What about 70-80 in Poland? Polish working in USA doing **** jobs buying houses in Poland and playing big "businessmen"- as value of PLN was so law.
What about the rest of polish working in Poland and earning so little?

I think lef that you would like Poland to be old fashion, backwards, poor...so you could feel superior towards.

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lef
  Jan 5, 07, 02:44  #185

Quoting: iwona, Post #187
I think lef that you would like Poland to be old fashion, backwards, poor...so you could feel superior to wards.



Sorry ivona, I would be proud to be only equal, my concern is for the vast majority of polish people who have no control about what is going on in Poland today, like I mentioned in a previous post the poor couple who now cannot make ends meet due to increases in gas/electricity/water as shown on polish tv.
I don't live in poland, sure, but I have a lot of empathy for the polish and this you can't take away form me.

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Casper [Guest]
  Jan 5, 07, 10:57  #186

Hang on folks..... wooaaahhh der. We live in a capitalist world, we are subject to the controls and restraints of private capital, which controls government and therefore dictates national and international policys of individual governments worldwide.

Poland is emerging into a new era, where before it was within the restraints of a socialist/communist doctrine. Mythical ideologies that masked control of the masses by the few. Just like the USA. The late 1980's watershed of communist collapse actually hearlded the first chance at true democratic redevelopment since 1918.

The USA,who is the world OBERFURHER dictates economic development throughout the world, although obviously Europe and China have their own visions.
Poland who early on after 1988 was smart enough not to accept major IMF restructuring loans and Worldbank assistance, has progressed in relative terms better than its other Eastern European counter parts through following the European model of capitalist development. At present it is the power of the people specdifically those who have moved abroad to earn dollars, Euro's or Pounds that have put much of their capital back into the motherland.

So it is inpart gratis to the polish expats that Poland has become a Baltic tiger, despite obviously having some major financial input from the States and the EU.

Foreign investors do to some extent push up basic housing stock prices, however, much investment is actually Polish, though perhaps disguised through non-Polish companies.

Poland is deliberately being drag rapidly upto economic speed by the EU because sick financial partners make no sense for the economic fortress Europe.

Finally Poland has many advantages that we as so called civilized Westerners do not see, namely that Poland is not yet a colonial outpost of the USA.

Infact the powerhouse of the EU, with its German/French model of social and economic development is bringinginto the fold a potentially explosive land mass, remember Poland the bread basket of Europe. An educated work forced and a country with a sense of self.

If we look at the development of other (catholic) EU countries i.e Portugal and Ireland it is impossible to ignore their progress from relatively underdeveloped markets to self sustaining and ultimately profitable state enterprises.

The masses worldwide are generally ignorant of how the system works, which is fair enough given the lies, propaganda and subjective history we are constanly exposed to.

People concern themselves with notions of political allegiance, or racialist ideologies or religious philosophies, which all mask the truth.

The truth is relatively simple.

There are the rich ruling classes/clans/families.
There are the workers. Namely most who visit this website.
And there is the untermensch.

Poland's untermensch is in world terms relatively small. Poland is though very much a country of the worker. And this shall be eternal, just like the USA or the UK or where ever.

Despite the depressing truth that we are wage slaves , i.e work or starve.
Poland's future is bright and the reasons in my humble opinion are thus.

Poland is united through religion, so therefore difficult for government/big buisness to exploit sectarian violence.

Poland is a homogeneous country 99% caucasian, therefore difficult to exploit racist division.

Poland is now within the EU so is protected to some extent from US economic hedgemony.

Poland has as a infamous man once said Leibensraum..living space so the "rats crushed together concept" of the UK is also difficult to exploit.

All these advantages means the People though subject to monkeys in government have a degree of freedom from fear that the rest of Europe doesn't. This "freedom" from oppressive law, order and "homeland" security gives the average Pole a little extra interms of potential development.

Here is an irony which many will disagree with. But corruption specifically on the micro-level although obviously harmful to some, actually gives others the chance to accelerate themselves up the social and economic ladder. These are the people who have a chance if they actually make it to the upper escheleons to change things. But the majority once up theri in the clouds of riches join the rich class, they forget their humble roots.

Poland is deliberately ridculed by other powers, the racists slurs and jokes abound because the powers that be need to rubbish Poland, they need to defame it.

Why, because Poland has a chance at developing into an alternative model for European progression.

Mabye not now, but within the next 30 to 50 years.

So to conclude, why invest in Polska. Because the futures bright, the futures orange.

(Finally I realsie this may not be the most comprehensive diatribe I could produce on the STATE OF MAN TODAY. But I done it within the last 45 minutes so allow me room for error.

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Casper [Guest]
  Jan 5, 07, 11:02  #187

"Wonder how much a residence around 1800sqm costs? Preferably near a lake.."
Quote Roz.

Answer. Alot. best to buy the land and build it yourself.

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Frank
  Jan 5, 07, 11:13  #188

Quoting: Casper, Post #189
namely that Poland is not yet a colonial outpost of the USA.


Emmmmm.........are you sure.........and is France one also?.....

Quoting: Casper, Post #189
Portugal and Ireland it is impossible to ignore their progress from relatively underdeveloped markets to self sustaining and ultimately profitable state enterprises.


Portugal...aint no celtic tiger...maybe, a bit of a celtic kitten...with a limp!

But lots on there make sesne.....its up to the Polish people to grasp the opportunity...learn to play the game, make alliances...take risks..... good luck!

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 5, 07, 11:21  #189

Quoting: ROZ, Post #185
Wonder how much a residence around 1800sqm costs? Preferably near a lake...


ive just turned down a very tempting property in osowa - twenty mins to the city - twenty mins to the airport and sitting on the edge of the nearest lake to the tri-city...

... the package is 29OO sqm and has three/four properties on it... all in need of substandtial renovation but once finished would be absolutely beautiful buildings in a beautiful setting in a very good location... 375K zl...

obviously you could split up and sell the land, additional properties and renovate just one for yourself...

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Casper [Guest]
  Jan 5, 07, 11:33  #190

Bubba have you visited Dembki on the coast about 20 minutes from Wejherowo. Lovely as yet not overdeveloped or spolit Polish seaside retreat. If you can buy anything there you'll do well.

Our friend open a hotel this summer an in 3 months made £10,000 not bad.

The best bit about the whole thing is his father knew the previous owner who sadly drank away all his cash and brought the property for 400,000 zl !!!!! (cash). No his son our mate is laughing.

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BubbaWoo
Edited by: BubbaWoo  Jan 5, 07, 11:37  #191

no i havent and agree that it would be great to get land / property up there... but the prices a getting steep and im wondering if there are other places - karwina ? - which will be just as nice but offer a better deal...

also looking to the east of gdansk going along the coast that way - theres a 1712 windmill on offer in a place called stegna which ive got my eye on... its currently a bar and i am wondering if i can do a similar thing to your mate with the hotel over the summer...

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casper [Guest]
  Jan 5, 07, 12:47  #192

Leda?

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casper [Guest]
  Jan 5, 07, 12:48  #193

Sorry Leba pronouced WeBA

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 5, 07, 13:21  #194

no - havent been up to leba either - soon...

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missPoland [Guest]
  Jan 6, 07, 12:30  #195

you all are bunch of roaches.... it is one thing to purchase property in Poland or anywhere else in the world because you fell in love with country and peaople that live there and you want to live and work there too and totally another, taking advantage of the poor people and buying cheap and selling high making yourself rich but not giving anything back. you should be ashame of yourselfs, I need to take a shower after reading this chat...

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Frank
  Jan 6, 07, 13:08  #196

Make it a cold one...............misspoland....lol

Reality check here........anyone talking about buying has either been to Poland a number of times, just moved there or are activley making a living there.........making a difference, adding to the economy, providing work, improving things in the long run.

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iwona
  Jan 7, 07, 08:48  #197

Miss Poland - don't be so agitated.

We are in Eu and in open market.

The same can say teacher or nurse in UK - living i London where prices are "ENORMOUS" also growing up because of foreign investments ( Russians one of them).

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iwona
  Jan 7, 07, 08:49  #198

it is the pity that noone here invests in Krakow area....

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 7, 07, 09:41  #199

Quoting: missPoland, Post #198
you all are bunch of roaches....


twat

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Casper [Guest]
  Jan 9, 07, 10:56  #200

"you all are bunch of roaches.... it is one thing to purchase property in Poland or anywhere else in the world because you fell in love with country and peaople that live there and you want to live and work there too and totally another,"

What planet are you from?
You attack individuals who are trying to better there and those of their kin. if you want to protest go stand out side the US embassy.
Or write to Nike about exploiting child labour.
Or protest at your governments ineptitude and corruption.
As for not living in Poland, most of us here do and YOU TOTAL MORON WE PAY TAXES ON ALL THIS PROPERTY. Taxes which your government spends on itself.

Moron go get an education. Whether you like it of not we live in a capitalist world and in the real world missy its dog eat dog.
And you sound like someone's lunch.

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iwona
  Jan 10, 07, 02:43  #201

Why are you all so rude.

I suppose Poland was for so long "closed"country that it takes time for some people to accept that therer will be more and more investors from west europe here.

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lef
  Jan 10, 07, 03:58  #202

Quoting: iwona, Post #204
Why are you all so rude.


some of the bad language should not be tolerated on this forum.

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 10, 07, 06:12  #203

Quoting: iwona, Post #201
it is the pity that noone here invests in Krakow area....


i would love to invest in krakow - infact my first polish propert was in ruzjia - just by the university / motorola building / PJP2 library... a really good investment... until the city council decided that perhaps it could get more for the land than they had sold it for so pulled the deal... wasted my time, money and effort... cheers guys...

and now i work in the tri city...

and i think people are rude because of the flak we get from some for buying polish property...

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iwona
  Jan 10, 07, 07:07  #204

Krakow is becoming bit expensive now....

Anyway I am buying flat there ( in new developement will be built in abouty 18 months).

Tri city is quite good for English as you like sea and seasides - it is a bit like in Uk I suppose...cold water, windy....

and i think people are rude because of the flak we get from some for buying polish property...

I don't mind it is good that you find Poland attractive.

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 10, 07, 07:09  #205

i have polish friends in the tri city - thats the main reason i am buying there... plus i like the place... i do like to be beside the seaside... i do like to be beside the sea... tiddlyompompom...

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Frank
  Jan 10, 07, 07:58  #206

Quoting: BubbaWoo, Post #208
i do like to be beside the seaside... i do like to be beside the sea... tiddlyompompom...


This will be lost on the 6 Polish posters on the board Bubb........pity....

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 10, 07, 08:01  #207

lol... thats what i thought as i wrote it...

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Ela
  Jan 10, 07, 09:17  #208

Question for those of you who have purchased property in Poland.
My friend is hoping to buy an apartment in Poland. He has done all his homework, but now comes the issue of how to pay for the property.
He has cash, how does he arrange to get this transfered over into Polish Zloty, and where can he get the best rate???
Any suggestions??

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iwona
  Jan 10, 07, 10:12  #209

moneycorp.com

This is good and reliable Company.

They send money on agreed with you rate of exchange and cover all charges of Polish banks. Money are received in Poland in PLN.

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 10, 07, 10:40  #210

i have got a sterling account in a polish bank - i transfer money, withdraw it and take it to a local kantor where i get a much better rate than the bank offers... when we are talking thousands of pounds to convert then even the slightest difference in echange rate adds up...

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