Germans file WWII claims against Poland

Quoting: FISZ

A group of Germans kicked out of Poland after World War II want restitution for lost property, arguing in a complaint that their human rights were violated when Eastern Europe's boundaries were redrawn and they were driven from their homes.

Does everyone else find this immoral?

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 10:32 / #
A group of Germans kicked out of Poland after World War II want restitution for lost property, arguing in a complaint that their human rights were violated when Eastern Europe's boundaries were redrawn and they were driven from their homes. Does everyone else find this immoral? I don't think it'll ever happen. Thoughts?

Jim	Dec 16, 06, 10:37 / #
On a similiar note, Germany only paid about $1,000 US to victims of forced labor. Clearly not enough for ruining someones life.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,402 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Dec 16, 06, 10:42 / #
I thought the Polish government had already raised a middle finger to this. If they didn't then they should.

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:02 / #
It was just in the news yesterday here in the US...so it's possible.

ola123	Dec 16, 06, 11:04 / #
Poland lost the war, we didnt decide about kicking them out, we were occupated by Russia. Russia, England and USA kicked them out so they should go to them and moan. We owe them nothing. They owe us 6 millions of death. War ended long time ago but it should not be forgotten and it wont be.

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:05 / #
We'd flip em off too

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Edited by: Frank Dec 16, 06, 11:07 / #
Yeah.......the Germans can claim off the late A Hitler, after all he started it, and they acquiesed at each and every opportunity to support the most evil regime man has ever known......

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:08 / #
Hey Frank...been a while.

ola123	Dec 16, 06, 11:10 / #
They should be ashamed to make sucha a claim but I think its only a few politics, they are like our own Giertych....

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:10 / #
Fisz...how goes it? Am leaving our house tonite so our 18yr old can party....good idea?...lol

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:21 / #
Lol....you're too trusting.......trouble is, as he's a heavy metal band member they have two other groups turning up........lots of noise...booze and delinquency!

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2 Posts: 283 Joined: Oct 11, 06	Dec 17, 06, 05:41 / #
This sounds harsh, but Germans deserved to be expelled from Poland. They were collabarating with Nazi invaders so it is understandable that there wasn't much love for them. ******* german whiners ! Erika Steinbach is full of herself and it was a shame that Finns took part in the Exhibition of Expulsions by exhibiting Karelians. Also germans still have rascist attitudes towards Polish and they are not even ashamed of it ! Relationship between Germans and Polish is quite similar to relationship between Swedish and Finnish. Both Swedish and Germans are nice&polite to people that are far away from them, but terrible to their "weaker untermensch" neighbors .But I have to agree that Swedish rule was still better for Finland than German rule, our brothers Estonians were terribly bullied by Teutonic Order.

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,967 Joined: Nov 10, 06	Dec 17, 06, 08:20 / #
I personnaly dont think they are owned anything, one of my closest friends her mother is German and her grandparents came to England at the beginning of WW11 left their properties in Germany (one in the city and another in the black forrest) when they went back to Germany when things had settled down after the war both properties had been looted by the Americans, but as she says its just how it was and there was no point in complaining that some American has family airlooms in their living room! May I also add that her family helped many jews escape Germany so not all Germans were scum.

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2 Posts: 283 Joined: Oct 11, 06	Dec 20, 06, 13:00 / #
^That's true A. There were many Germans who were against Hitler: Sophie Scholl was probably most famous. But you have to admit that the Germans still have an antipathy against Polish.They think Poland is full of thieves etc. Organization behind the Exhib. of Expulsions was started by ex-nazi Hans Krüger who was even in the first beerhall putcsh !

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:12 / #
Having watched a re-run of the asassination of Heyrich in Prague last nite and how the Germans treated the people of that country, makes me angry.... Such contempt they had for all occupied countries and their peoples.

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:16 / #
Quoting: Frank, Post #10 Am leaving our house tonite so our 18yr old can party....good idea? Sure why not. AS long as you have a key pot. Make sure everyone tosses their car keys in and you should be good to go

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Dec 16, 06, 11:34 / #
Yeah...I can see it now. Metalheads party hard.

Tarzana8Threads: 4 Posts: 35 Joined: Mar 24, 07	Mar 27, 07, 20:08 / #
What is the www source of your article. I would like to read it.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Mar 27, 07, 22:19 / #
Quoting: FISZ A group of Germans kicked out of Poland after World War II want restitution for lost property, arguing in a complaint that their human rights were violated when Eastern Europe's boundaries were redrawn and they were driven from their homes. Does everyone else find this immoral? from whom did they take this land from is my question. I dont believe they have squatting rights if the land was occupied and those driven from their homes -excuse me ripped from their homes and yes I agree that this is immoral and disgusting both.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Mar 27, 07, 22:22 / #
Quoting: Amathyst May I also add that her family helped many jews escape Germany so not all Germans were scum. I agree with this, some died helping.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 28, 07, 02:19 / #
Quoting: Patrycja19 I agree with this, some died helping. true. We are painting all germans with the one brush which is not right (and notably what the nazi's did) hate the nazi's for what they did. Not the german people. (germans were nazi's - not all germans were nazis so we cannot blame all germans for the work of nazis) im not advocating what the NAZI's did in WW2 at all. Im only advocating that we not be like them and discriminate blindly. Place blame where it lies not where you THINK it lies. As to the claim. Its a difficult one and SHOULD go to court so far more rational people and educated people can decided if these german citizens have a claim (and to be fair, should equal any claim germany ever paid out to polish families) - (taking inflation etc into account)

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 28, 07, 03:26 / #
Quoting: daffy Its a difficult one and SHOULD go to court To court ? These stinking busterds should be ****** up.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 28, 07, 03:52 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ To court ? These stinking busterds should be ****** up. your response PROVES that it should go to court Your response is eye for an eye and makes you no better your a christian no? forgiveness? fairness? no? it is because of emmotional feelings like this that gave hitler the power to do what he did! It is why courts exist, to examine the case without prejudice. Imagine this was you. You would want your right to reply. your 'day in court' even if the outcome was no (which it more than likey should be) we can say, we;ve heard your claims. and no, we dont think your entitled. case closed. Your way leaves them the room to say YOUR denying them the very rights you spout to hold dear Im against nazi's, racism and bigotry and for freedom I would allow a nazi parade march through my home time (as long as they abided by the peaceful laws we all must) just to spite them! they would LOVE not to be allowed mach and say we are denying them rights Ulster orangemen went to march in Dublin. A march i dont agree with but accepted it right to have a march (as gays can, feminisits, suffrajets, african americans to stand up for what THEY believe in - you dont have to believe in them) BUT under a free and democratic society, if they march peacefully they should be allowed to 'express' themselves (even if i dont agree with what they believe) The parade was attack by irish 'nationalists' really just people out for trouble. They rioted across dublin causing so much damage etc to peoples property and premises etc. AND THE ULSTERMEN LOVED IT! they went home saying how bigoted and racist ireland was - not being able to allow a peaceful, democratic march take place! so all the riot did was make give them the morale upper hand!!! (which is annoying to say the least)

a German	Mar 28, 07, 04:38 / #
Who cares what Polaks think! You got busted by German boots every time...you needed the western allies and Stalin to help you out...now you are in the EU....don't you wonder why Germany is so generous with help and support? We care for our land....and we will get it back....we startet already. Whereas stupid Polaks look to prussian claims "private" people are buying land back and invest in what is now Poland... Stupid, stupid, stupid Polaks! LOL And nobody is going to help you out this time!

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 28, 07, 05:11 / #
Quoting: a German And nobody is going to help you out this time! worthy of many profanity's. You are not all there at all are you? (rhetorical question, answer is self-evident) Poland and Germany are equal members of the EU. The EU is not a German entity bub. and its is ridiculous to suggest that 'germany' is funding Polish Infrastructure grants in order to 'take back' Your only TRYING to cause trouble. I will say it again, The EU welcomed all the new members and is funding their infrastrurcture etc so that thye can benefit and in turn make the lives of european people safer, better and so on.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 28, 07, 05:13 / #
Quoting: daffy Imagine this was you. You would want your right to reply. Daf, don't piss me off. You've got no idea about history of my family. And we have never wanted money from anyone, especially from these trashes. Germans are s**t of the mankind.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 28, 07, 05:20 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Daf, don't piss me off. You've got no idea about history of my family. And we have never wanted money from anyone, especially from these trashes. Germans are s*t of the mankind. G you know full well im not trying to pss you off. i dont NEED to know about YOUR family to understand pain, suffering and injustice. I fi was to have a similar rant about English you would be the one telling me to cool down and be reasonable. Not all english are guilty for what happened in Ireland And neiter are all germans Quoting: Patrycja19 Quoting: Amathyst May I also add that her family helped many jews escape Germany so not all Germans were scum. I agree with this, some died helping. so dont waste your time getting mad at me for saying dont balme all germans, blame those responsible, the NAZI's!

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 28, 07, 05:22 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ never wanted money from anyone im saying you did. im saying if these germans want to try get money let them go to court and TRY. your allowed to TRY if you want. odds are they WONT get it and id AGREE with that but YOU and I live in FREE states and that ALLOWs them to TRY. so again I say, dont waste your time being p1ssed off at me (im the wrong person for you to be p at!)

a German	Mar 28, 07, 05:26 / #
Sure Greg....it was Polacks who conquered Europe and settled everywhere (Angles, Saxons, Franks, Goths, Lombards etc. etc. etc.) The world of science is overwhelmed with the polish names, likewise the world of music, philosophy, poets, writers....sure.... You stupid, stupid, stupid Polaks....NOBODY would miss you! Oh and as long Germany is biggest giver and Poland is only a taker (like always) we are so not equal!