Poland biggest problem

Quoting: Michal

I could mention a few thing here. One of the worst things about Poland and the Poles is that they never accept responsibility for anything. It does not matter what it is, they always find an external force to blame. In my day it was always Churchill who was responsible for the Russians or the weather! The Polish never have any financial common sense. They never think about tomorrow and know how to save and invest. They also have very little civil pride in themselves, a quick view of modern day Poland shows you that! The Poles are a very jealous people. They moan when they have nothing themselves yet are the biggest snobs when they start to move up the property ladders! they are big church goers which surprises me as there is nothing Christian about them. They will come out of church on a Sunday from a church service and walk right a dying man in the street! It is always well known in the countryside that the Roman Catholic priest drives the best German motor car in town! There is so much I could say here but I would be repeating myself. There are a lot of dishonest people there too-watch out for your wallet! They will steal anything not nailed down!

magda09Threads: 1 Posts: 71 Joined: Jun 18, 07	Aug 8, 07, 09:48 / #
i see here so may praises :), i was interested to know what you think is our biggest problem! our biggest negative ... our worse aspect ! feel free to share :)

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Aug 8, 07, 09:58 / #
Corruption on many levels. Old-fashioned business laws that hinder development and promote bureaucracy.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Aug 8, 07, 10:13 / #
all the above plus a deep ingrained mentality born from years in a system that didnt prepare for a free and competitive life plus you gotsta learn to drive otherwise youll end up killing each other by accident... and that aint smart...

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Aug 8, 07, 10:18 / #
Quoting: magda09 our biggest problem! Not enough cash.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Aug 8, 07, 10:23 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Do It yourself left side fag. mate... if you want to kill yourselves on the road it aint my problem... you just all be dead muthafukers and that aint no thang to me Quoting: Grzegorz_ Not enough cash. true... costs alot sweeping up dead muthafukers by the side of the road

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07	Aug 8, 07, 11:24 / #
Lack of confidence in their abilities is a problem. Poles are often educated and have the neccessary cultural background to fit in Anglo-saxon business practices but seem to doubt their own abilties. I think this is changing though as I see more and more Poles in office jobs rather than manual ones. Another problem is that Polish men really need to stop cutting their own hair. And ban moustaches.

daslaThreads: 1 Posts: 61 Joined: Jan 14, 07	Aug 8, 07, 12:15 / #
yes the polish girls are far more stylish than then men.from my experience. and o so pretty x

donomarThreads: 1 Posts: 35 Joined: Jul 24, 07	Aug 8, 07, 12:38 / #
1) mentality 2) jeaulosity 3) hit hard by capitalism 4) uncritical stance against the church

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Aug 8, 07, 12:54 / #
I could mention a few thing here. One of the worst things about Poland and the Poles is that they never accept responsibility for anything. It does not matter what it is, they always find an external force to blame. In my day it was always Churchill who was responsible for the Russians or the weather! The Polish never have any financial common sense. They never think about tomorrow and know how to save and invest. They also have very little civil pride in themselves, a quick view of modern day Poland shows you that! The Poles are a very jealous people. They moan when they have nothing themselves yet are the biggest snobs when they start to move up the property ladders! they are big church goers which surprises me as there is nothing Christian about them. They will come out of church on a Sunday from a church service and walk right a dying man in the street! It is always well known in the countryside that the Roman Catholic priest drives the best German motor car in town! There is so much I could say here but I would be repeating myself. There are a lot of dishonest people there too-watch out for your wallet! They will steal anything not nailed down!

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Aug 8, 07, 12:58 / #
Quoting: donomar 4) uncritical stance against the church Yes, I agree, they seem to be obsessed by the church as if it will give them all the answers!

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,402 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Aug 8, 07, 13:25 / #
Michal, As usual. I disagree with [your] post #10 Your profile of Polish people might fit the older generation, but certainly not the younger one.

ola123	Aug 8, 07, 13:29 / #
poverty, unemployment, low level of life - high prices comparing to wages, corruption

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Aug 8, 07, 13:49 / #
Quoting: ola123 low level of life I have heard that life expectancy is falling in Poland at the moment. I noticed when visiting grave yards in Poland that many old people who were alive at the time of say, the First World War, had long lives but I notice that among those born around the 1950's life is very short. My friends lived in Gdansk next to the huge cemetery there (near Orunia) and I went for a walk-row after row of young dead men, almost like a military cemetery, all their dates of birth were after mine even.

ola123	Aug 8, 07, 13:59 / #
Quoting: Michal I have heard that life expectancy is falling in Poland at the moment. I noticed when visiting grave yards in Poland that many old people who were alive at the time of say, the First World War, had long lives but I notice that among those born around the 1950's life is very short. My friends lived in Gdansk next to the huge cemetery there (near Orunia) and I went for a walk-row after row of young dead men, almost like a military cemetery, all their dates of birth were after mine even. Interesting, I never thought in that way, comparing current level and lenght of lives from the past. I was more thinking about level of lives in EU currently. Poles have wages about 4 times less than western countries of EU and we have prices of flats and homes in big cities higher than in Berlin, one of most expensive "electric drift" (sorry dont know the proper word in english) in EU, as well as petrol and cars, not to mention the highest taxes, which take 40% of our wages brutto.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Aug 8, 07, 12:59 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Not enough cash. It is the way they spend it in the first place.

donomarThreads: 1 Posts: 35 Joined: Jul 24, 07	Aug 8, 07, 13:08 / #
Quoting: Michal I could mention a few thing here. One of the worst things about Poland and the Poles is that they never accept responsibility for anything. It does not matter what it is, they always find an external force to blame. In my day it was always Churchill who was responsible for the Russians or the weather! The Polish never have any financial common sense. They never think about tomorrow and know how to save and invest. They also have very little civil pride in themselves, a quick view of modern day Poland shows you that! The Poles are a very jealous people. They moan when they have nothing themselves yet are the biggest snobs when they start to move up the property ladders! they are big church goers which surprises me as there is nothing Christian about them. They will come out of church on a Sunday from a church service and walk right a dying man in the street! It is always well known in the countryside that the Roman Catholic priest drives the best German motor car in town! There is so much I could say here but I would be repeating myself. There are a lot of dishonest people there too-watch out for your wallet! They will steal anything not nailed down! this guy knows what he is talking about . well put. Kudos!

donomarThreads: 1 Posts: 35 Joined: Jul 24, 07	Aug 8, 07, 13:11 / #
... and then again if you asked a pole about their vices he would blame the comunist years, which takes us back to your first point, that is never accept responsibility...

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Aug 8, 07, 14:15 / #
yes, I can understand and appreciate the stresses and strains of modern living.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Aug 8, 07, 14:29 / #
Quoting: hello Old-fashioned business laws that hinder development and promote bureaucracy. It appears to me they are getting the grants etc but they need experienced business- minded folk to manage it. Why they can't "do an Ireland" and drop the base rate for business tax. If Ireland can do it on the edge of Europe surely Poland can do it, look at the logistics for distribution, networking etc - ideal !

magda09Threads: 1 Posts: 71 Joined: Jun 18, 07	Aug 8, 07, 15:57 / #
it is not govt. i think, it is truth that poles were never best in business :). Because i have seen most poles scared to commit in it, or most things - unfortunately

slwkkThreads: 3 Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 31, 07	Aug 8, 07, 16:09 / #
Quoting: magda09 i was interested to know what you think is our biggest problem! our biggest negative ... our worse aspect ! feel free to share :) 1. our current gov 2. position of church in Poland

magda09Threads: 1 Posts: 71 Joined: Jun 18, 07	Aug 8, 07, 16:13 / #
Quoting: slwkk position of church in Poland church and priest including Pope and Nun are non-existant in bible, gosple or christianity...if you want, i can proove it :)

slwkkThreads: 3 Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 31, 07	Aug 8, 07, 16:18 / #
Quoting: magda09 .if you want, i can proove it :) I believe you :-) In my opinion position of church is too high. Today church is involved in everything in Poland, including politics which isn't good...

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 8, 07, 16:20 / #
Quoting: slwkk I believe you :-) In my opinion position of church is too high. Today church is involved in everything in Poland, including politics which isn't good... Believe none of it, the church, the bible, the preachers, their simply following something that was written by a bunch of people who were board and decided to write a story book. Its the same for all religion, its for people who feel they need guidance instead of directing htemselves

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Edited by: hello Aug 8, 07, 16:25 / #
Another big problem - Poland is losing its own identity and copies too much from the western, "plastic" cultures (consumption, relativism). As the pope Benedict said, Poland is now in a big danger of becoming a country of non-believers who believe only in materialistic stuff (similar to Czech people).

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 8, 07, 16:27 / #
Quoting: hello a country of non-believers theres nothing wrong of that, maybe the polish people would like to be let of the leash they are attached to called religion!!!!

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Aug 8, 07, 16:34 / #
Quoting: tornado2007 theres nothing wrong of that, maybe the polish people would like to be let of the leash they are attached to called religion!!!! I disagree and think it's losing faith is Poland's big problem.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,945 Joined: May 17, 07	Aug 8, 07, 17:13 / #
Polish moustache.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Aug 8, 07, 17:18 / #
Quoting: hello I disagree and think it's losing faith is Poland's big problem. Poland does not need faith in any god to make itself better it needs to deal with real life problems and concerns :)