Poland torpedoes EU Day Against Death Penalty

Quoting: osiol

What about all the people who get wrongly convicted?
You can be found innocent after time in prison,
but what good is that when you're dead?

The lesson it teaches is that if a country can kill it's people, then killing can be justified.

Look at which countries do continue to practise capital punishment:
China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, USA...
Not countries I'd like to live in.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 7, 07, 15:56 / #
Poland was the only EU country which did not support a proposal by the European Commission to establish a European Day Against the Death Penalty. The Polish representation argued there was no need for such a day because all EU countries had abolished capital punishment. polskieradio.pl/zagranica/gb/dokument.aspx?iid=58140

RonekThreads: 1 Posts: 297 Joined: Sep 4, 07	Sep 7, 07, 15:58 / #
lol, liberals must be pissed off ;)

_Sofi_	Sep 7, 07, 16:03 / #
So if there are no EU countries who still have capital punishment, what was the reason the proposal was made :S ?

RonekThreads: 1 Posts: 297 Joined: Sep 4, 07	Edited by: Ronek Sep 7, 07, 16:08 / #
our government is taking the p*ss, thats all.

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Edited by: Ranj Sep 7, 07, 16:08 / #
I wholeheartedly agree with the Polish representation.....why the need to establish such a day when all EU countries have rid themselves of it.....make it a day "for the protection of life in general" not just capital punishment!

RonekThreads: 1 Posts: 297 Joined: Sep 4, 07	Sep 7, 07, 16:12 / #
well its funny, cuz most of polish citizens vote for capital punishment and our politicians agree that it should be in place. It's not for one single reason - to make our lives easier while beeing part of EU and an european country in general.

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Sep 7, 07, 16:37 / #
Quoting: Ronek most of polish citizens vote for capital punishment and our politicians agree that it should be in place Same situation in the US.....I just don't understand the reasoning of people who are against abortion, yet for capital punishment or vice versa....imho, life is life and should be treated as such. It just makes no sense to me to "save em while they are young" so they can be "taken out" as they get older. To me, it's hypocracy.....

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Sep 7, 07, 16:38 / #
lol, no eu govts have the death penelty....no they just install puppet govts and get them to do it for them cough saddam hussaincough** The Death penelty in my opinion is moraly bankrupt. If someone has commited such a hideous crime as to deserve death they shouldnt be rewarded with a quick way out,they should rot in jail and come out feet first after a lifetime of hard labour. Not to stir up anything,honest,but,why would such a "Catholic " country such as Poland be in favour of The Death Penelty,isnt that a mortal sin or something?Why is hanging someone,ordered by politicians( shiny clean cut people that they are,not) OK but abortion of unwanted foetus' such a no no? Not a dig,just a honest question....

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Sep 7, 07, 16:39 / #
er,ranj,are u reading my mind lol?

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Sep 7, 07, 16:42 / #
Quoting: isthatu Why is hanging someone,ordered by politicians( shiny clean cut people that they are,not) OK but abortion of unwanted foetus' such a no no? Not a dig,just a honest question.... That's the point I was trying to make, and I was raised Catholic.....I don't have a problem if one is either for both or against both.....just be consistent.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 7, 07, 16:59 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony People that are guilty of mass murder serial killers? There can be no one rule for some, another for others. Beyond reasonable doubt should be the only measure. Also, if someone has committed such heinous crimes, do I want to give them the easy way out? I can think of one or two very nasty people who are in prison in the UK, who will never be released. Death would surely have been an easier option for them.

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Sep 7, 07, 17:01 / #
Quoting: osiol Beyond reasonable doubt should be the only measure. Agree :) Quoting: osiol lso, if someone has committed such heinous crimes, do I want to give them the easy way out? No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:04 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons It is the administering of the punishment, and thus worth paying for. Law and order cannot come cheap. In China, the death sentence is normally carried out by shooting. The families of the executed are then charged for the cost of the bullet. I assume you are not advocating such acts, but to me it only works to underline the barbarism of capital punishment.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:06 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons. Agreed. It's all very well saying that they should suffer in prison but are they really suffering at all when prisoners (in the UK at least) seem to be able to demand what the like and take the Prison System to court when they don't get what they want. All the while they waste tax payers money which could really be spent on better things!

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Sep 7, 07, 16:44 / #
Quoting: isthatu er,ranj,are u reading my mind lol? Apparently so or you are reading mine;) lol

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 7, 07, 16:46 / #
Quoting: isthatu Not to stir up anything,honest,but,why would such a "Catholic " country such as Poland be in favour of The Death Penelty An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 7, 07, 16:49 / #
What about all the people who get wrongly convicted? You can be found innocent after time in prison, but what good is that when you're dead? The lesson it teaches is that if a country can kill it's people, then killing can be justified. Look at which countries do continue to practise capital punishment: China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, USA... Not countries I'd like to live in. Quoting: Grzegorz_ tooth for a tooth What use is a pile of teeth?

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Sep 7, 07, 16:53 / #
Quoting: osiol What about all the people who get wrongly convicted? You can be found innocent after time in prison, but what good is that when you're dead? The lesson it teaches is that if a country can kill it's people, then killing can be justified. Look at which countries do continue to practise capital punishment: China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, USA... Not countries I'd like to live in. Unfortunately This is true in many cases, but what about the "beyond a resonable doubt" convicted? People that are guilty of mass murder serial killers?

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Sep 7, 07, 17:12 / #
Quoting: osiol The families of the executed are then charged for the cost of the bullet. I assume you are not advocating such acts, Nah.... Quoting: PolskaDoll All the while they waste tax payers money which could really be spent on better things! We need a new island for these people.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:13 / #
Death Penelty...State sanctioned murder.....imho now a bit of "Death wish" style revenge by an agrieved relative.........

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 7, 07, 17:14 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons. True. Kill'em.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:14 / #
Quoting: PolskaDoll prisoners (in the UK at least) seem to be able to demand what the like and take the Prison System to court when they don't get what they want The administration of our prisons has no bearing on the principle at stake here. Prisons in the UK are not run how they should be. Tail wagging dog.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:15 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony We need a new island for these people. actually,i was going to suggest that, Self sustaining prison islands,minimul cost to tax payer and eco friendly....works in Norway apparently.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:16 / #
Quoting: isthatu Self sustaining prison islands oops,we done that already...Australia :)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:16 / #
Question: In the US, how long does the average death row prisoner stay on death row? A sensible use of resources?

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:17 / #
Quoting: isthatu works in Norway apparently did in South Africa too.

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Sep 7, 07, 17:22 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony No, but our taxes suffer to house and feed these morons. Unfortunately, our taxes suffer more for a prisoner on death row.....with all the appeals that have to be taken before a death sentence is carried out, it's actually more expensive to house a death row inmate than one who is sentenced to life.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:24 / #
Quoting: osiol A sensible use of resources Prisoners in the UK have too many rights I'm afraid to say. The point of imprisonment is that your liberty is taken away. You should have to live by minimal means. It happens to a degree but then you read about some offender who is 'just humiliated' because he had to use a toilet in front of his cellmate. Then he goes and sues the system, wins and rights change for prisoners all over the place. An old joke used to be that Bums got themselves arrested on Dec 24th because they got a fine Christmas Dinner in the jail. seems that's extended now.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:27 / #
Quoting: Zgubiony We need a new island for these people. Yup. Or shove them in a cave.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Sep 7, 07, 17:29 / #
Theres a Scottish guy,who everyone knows was stiched up been on Death row in the states for 20 odd years now,he is only still inside on a technicality of the legal process but could have been murdered despite that,only heavy campaining has secured him a re trail . He was offered the chance of release but demanded a trail to prove his innocence. Any one with the argument of ,"you have to crack a few eggs to make an ommlette" would be wise to consider how they would feel if one of those eggs was their brother/father/son.