Are the Polish embarrased by President Kaczynski?

Quoting: daffy

Quoting: dannyboy
Hi Daffy,
One thing thats always surprising is people's faces when you get into warsaw, they are gray with misery and depression. Outside of warsaw however, they seem quite happy, and they are building huge houses, driving newer cars.
I was really impressed with the change, but the thing is: The people building huge houses have family in Ireland/UK earning money.

The other people without family abroad say they cannot even keep up with the bills

Ah yea, i see that too but you'd swear they were the only ones to have hard times and its annoying to be told - you cant understand - when you do.

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 11:03 / #
Are the polish embarrassed by what Kaczynski said about Polish people being 'BORN lOSERS' and Gay poles are 'a threat to humanity's existence'? My girlfriend is furious about what he said and very embarrassed to be Polish.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 7, 07, 11:04 / #
I voted for them. Quoting: dannyboy and very embarrassed to be Polish. Yawn...

MagdushyaThreads: 3 Posts: 233 Joined: Feb 1, 07	Mar 7, 07, 11:54 / #
Quoting: dannyboy embarrassed to be Polish she cannot be, she can be proud of that, but not necessary of idiots we've got in goverment

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:29 / #
Sorry, its a figure of speech. Of course she is proud of her nationality and proud to be Polish, simply its a way of expressing that she is embarrassed that kaczynski is also Polish.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:31 / #
well my GF is CONVINCED no one BUT a polish person living in Poland can understand how bad it is.... I dunno, I can see it from here

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:32 / #
Sorry Grzegorsz, its not my opinion I have no problem with gay people. Do you regret voting for them? Do other people persecute you in Poland because your gay or is it just the government?

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 7, 07, 13:34 / #
it was interesting to note the changes in my polish friends on this matter over the last 6 months or so... first they were angry... then they joked... now they refuse to discuss the political climate with any degree of depth or seriousness...

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:35 / #
its such an idiotic and 'childish' attitude to homosexuality. look out!!!! the gays are coming!!!! eyes rolling it ridiculous, all the gays are know are the same people as straight, just different sleeping arrangements

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:35 / #
Quoting: daffy well my GF is CONVINCED no one BUT a polish person living in Poland can understand how bad it is.... I dunno, I can see it from here Hi Daffy, One thing thats always surprising is people's faces when you get into warsaw, they are gray with misery and depression. Outside of warsaw however, they seem quite happy, and they are building huge houses, driving newer cars. I was really impressed with the change, but the thing is: The people building huge houses have family in Ireland/UK earning money. The other people without family abroad say they cannot even keep up with the bills

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:35 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo it was interesting to note the changes in my polish friends on this matter over the last 6 months or so... first they were angry... then they joked... now they refuse to discuss the political climate with any degree of depth or seriousness... about the pres.? or homosexuals?

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:41 / #
One funny comment my GF translated for me, i think it was on ONET.pl or something, i will try to find the source later: "perhaps when my kaczynski fixes the Polish economy, all us 'born losers' can come home and stop artificialy supporting it" I thought that was funny. Poles in Ireland sent home 4Billion Zloty last year, and in the UK Poles sent home about 8Billion Zloty.

Giles	Mar 7, 07, 13:57 / #
that Manser, talking off which where is he?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 7, 07, 13:59 / #
Quoting: dannyboy At first I thought it was because I was talking about the same subject too much, then I realised its because the goverment are STILL in power. Nobody believed that they would be elected, then nobody believed they would be able to stay in power. They were elected in democratic elections and in the polls are still leading or just 2-3% behind the first place. Poles complain because It's our national sport. Quoting: dannyboy My best mate who is from Warsaw says that if all the people who have emigrated from Poland went home, they would never have been elected People abroad also may vote, If they don't then they shouldn't criticize others' choice.

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Mar 7, 07, 14:15 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ People abroad also may vote, If they don't then they shouldn't criticize others' choice. True statement, Grzegorz.....it's the same here in the U.S. I know a lot of people who b*tch about the Govt. but don't even vote.....if they are that disatisfied with the current administration, they need to try to change it as opposed to just sitting on the sidelines whining all the time.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:37 / #
Quoting: dannyboy Hi Daffy, One thing thats always surprising is people's faces when you get into warsaw, they are gray with misery and depression. Outside of warsaw however, they seem quite happy, and they are building huge houses, driving newer cars. I was really impressed with the change, but the thing is: The people building huge houses have family in Ireland/UK earning money. The other people without family abroad say they cannot even keep up with the bills Ah yea, i see that too but you'd swear they were the only ones to have hard times and its annoying to be told - you cant understand - when you do.

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:38 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo it was interesting to note the changes in my polish friends on this matter over the last 6 months or so... first they were angry... then they joked... now they refuse to discuss the political climate with any degree of depth or seriousness... Bubba, I've noticed this too. At first I thought it was because I was talking about the same subject too much, then I realised its because the goverment are STILL in power. Nobody believed that they would be elected, then nobody believed they would be able to stay in power. My best mate who is from Warsaw says that if all the people who have emigrated from Poland went home, they would never have been elected, because all the liberals have left Poland and it is just hardline catholics left at home.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:39 / #
Quoting: dannyboy because all the liberals have left Poland and it is just hardline catholics left at home. oh that explains alot its always the nutters vote early, vote often

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 13:45 / #
Quoting: daffy Quoting: dannyboy Hi Daffy, One thing thats always surprising is people's faces when you get into warsaw, they are gray with misery and depression. Outside of warsaw however, they seem quite happy, and they are building huge houses, driving newer cars. I was really impressed with the change, but the thing is: The people building huge houses have family in Ireland/UK earning money. The other people without family abroad say they cannot even keep up with the bills Ah yea, i see that too but you'd swear they were the only ones to have hard times and its annoying to be told - you cant understand - when you do. Yea, I know what you mean. Luckily my gf doesn't think like this. I find that Polish people are extremely nationalistic (not a flaw, just stating that they are) which explains why we sometimes find their behaviour quite strange. For me, one very strange thing was a caravan full of older Polish men, who were all talking about how much they love Poland and its the best country in the world. But when they were all in Poland, they were miserable. I suppose far away fields are greener.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 7, 07, 13:46 / #
Quoting: daffy about the pres.? or homosexuals? about the government... the friend who i discussed it with most is gay... he is used to prejudice and now mainly moans about not having his d*ck sucked enough... he refused to discuss the government with me anymore about 5 months ago...

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Mar 7, 07, 13:47 / #
Quoting: dannyboy if all the people who have emigrated from Poland went home, they would never have been elected, because all the liberals have left Poland and it is just hardline catholics left at home. this is one of the first things i was told

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 7, 07, 13:53 / #
Quoting: dannyboy Do you regret voting for them? They are far from perfect, but others probably wouldn't be better, previous government definately wasn't better. Quoting: dannyboy Do other people persecute you in Poland because your gay or is it just the government? Me ? I'm not a gay...

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 7, 07, 14:02 / #
Quoting: dannyboy For me, one very strange thing was a caravan full of older Polish men, who were all talking about how much they love Poland and its the best country in the world. But when they were all in Poland, they were miserable. Don't you really see the difference between country - culture, history etc. and administrative-economical system ?

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 18:47 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ People abroad also may vote, If they don't then they shouldn't criticize others' choice. I didn't know that - that certainly changes things a bit!! How is this done? Mail system? I suppose computers would be useful but on the other hand a lot of the Polish people in Ireland would have no access as a lot of them work in rural regions.

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Mar 7, 07, 18:52 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Don't you really see the difference between country - culture, history etc. and administrative-economical system ? I'm not too sure what your asking Personally I can see some gigantic differences between Ireland and Poland - for example, Poland has a very good public transport system. Ireland has close to none. In Ireland, the church no longer influence government matters, although it does still influence a shrinking minority in the population. On the other hand, I can see major similarities - highly educated population, strong base in Information Technology, rapid economic development, rural roads reminiscent of swiss cheese.

ArturSzastakThreads: 6 Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Mar 7, 07, 19:06 / #
Quoting: dannyboy In Ireland, the church no longer influence government matters, although it does still influence a shrinking minority in the population. Didn't the Polish gov. try to name Jesus "honorary King of Poland" ??? Can't remember where I heard this.

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,106 Joined: Jan 22, 07	Mar 7, 07, 20:37 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Poles complain because It's our national sport. that explains a lot about me then...everyone thinks im negative but now there is documented truth.

Maxxx_Payne_g	Mar 8, 07, 02:08 / #
Quoting: dannyboy Quoting: Grzegorz_ People abroad also may vote, If they don't then they shouldn't criticize others' choice. I didn't know that - that certainly changes things a bit!! How is this done? Mail system? I suppose computers would be useful but on the other hand a lot of the Polish people in Ireland would have no access as a lot of them work in rural regions. Embassies or consulates I think ?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 8, 07, 04:53 / #
Quoting: Maxxx_Payne_g Embassies or consulates I think ? Yes.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 8, 07, 04:57 / #
Quoting: dannyboy I didn't know that - that certainly changes things a bit!! How is this done? Mail system? It's going to be by mail, sooner or later by internet like they already do in Estonia. Now you need to go to an embassy/consulate and I think that few weeks before elections you have to register, so It's not so simple, but after all that's not a big problem, especially in case of Ireland.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 8, 07, 04:58 / #
Quoting: dannyboy I'm not too sure what your asking And I'm not sure what you ment, so there are two of us.