Poles to stay or not to stay [in Ireland]

The majority of expatriate Poles have at least a secondary education, and many have a university degree. Most are working at jobs — in hotels and restaurants, construction and agriculture — well below their skill levels. Over the past two years, according to one estimate by the Dublin-based Economic and Social Research Institute, migrant [Polish] workers have added two percentage points to Ireland's gnp.

zion	Edited by: Administrator Mar 26, 07, 18:46 / #
The majority of expatriate Poles have at least a secondary education, and many have a university degree. Most are working at jobs — in hotels and restaurants, construction and agriculture — well below their skill levels. Over the past two years, according to one estimate by the Dublin-based Economic and Social Research Institute, migrant [Polish] workers have added two percentage points to Ireland's gnp. time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1596880,00.html your opinions please .

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 26, 07, 18:57 / #
Are you a Zionist ?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 26, 07, 19:00 / #
OK...

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,208 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Apr 2, 07, 14:05 / #
Quoting: zion why you asked ? I don't know.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Apr 2, 07, 15:52 / #
Quoting: zion your opinions please . erm, stay or go! the choice is up to the poles who are here! i welcome them coming, and i wish them well if they leave they have given ireland a new breath, and a new diversity. i appreciate they are not all working in there academic fields of study (if they have them) but to be fair, i work with many skilled polish in my company, those with skills are in skilled jobs and those with no skills are working non-skilled jobs. I am aware that this is not the situation the majority of the time - but the truth is, there are HUNDREDS of skilled jobs in ireland for the taking! recruitment agencies are SCREAMING for accountants!,engineers,nurses, doctors etc. and the truth is there having difficulty filling them with ANY nationality! THe polish who work in non skilled jobs and who have skills - i cannot explain why. bottom line. welcome to stay, sorry to see them leave, wish them well regardless

slwkkThreads: 3 Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 31, 07	Apr 3, 07, 03:05 / #
Quoting: daffy THe polish who work in non skilled jobs and who have skills - i cannot explain why. I can tell you The main problem is language barrier I think. Many people with university degree here have serious problems with (especially spoken) English... not that they don't know it at all but it is far away from communicative English. Nobody will hire you as a doctor, in IT sector or sth if you don't speak English fluently. That's all

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Apr 3, 07, 11:49 / #
If your good at your job, then feel free to come along....

ren	May 4, 07, 11:20 / #
I have several questions to the Irish: 1. u seem to have forgotten very quickly how poor you were in the past. in fact, plenty of the Irish were immigrating to the US of were dying or hunger... 2. I am very disappointed to see lazy Irish youngsters not willing to go ahead with their education.... Ren

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	May 4, 07, 11:28 / #
Quoting: ren u seem to have forgotten very quickly how poor you were in the past. in fact, plenty of the Irish were immigrating to the US of were dying or hunger... (BTW-thats not a question but a statement) not at all - we remember, its the knowledge of the past set us up for the future. dying or hunger, that was more than 100 years ago... the emigration Ireland had in the 20th C was economic and not poverty to that degree. rather along the same lines as Poland today - its economic. Quoting: ren I am very disappointed to see lazy Irish youngsters not willing to go ahead with their education.... (BTW-thats not a question either but a statement, no matter) despite the fact there are more people in third level education in Ireland than ever - that Irelands PRIMARY industry is the service sector, a highly skilled sector of educated people. How are things in Wroclaw that you accuse the Irish of all nationalities in the world? Quoting: ren I have several questions to the Irish: turns out you only had statements - but ive responded to them nonetheless slainte!

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	May 4, 07, 13:37 / #
Quoting: slwkk Nobody will hire you as a doctor, in IT sector or sth if you don't speak English fluently. That's all Not the case....I have met many doctors in a variety of setting whose English is way below that what would be expected in that job, particuarly from a pronunciation/being able to understand them aspect....no doubt their written English is good, but its very difficult for older patients to get the most from their consultations. Even though many are supposed to have a passed a certain type of use of English exam. Quoting: ren I am very disappointed to see lazy Irish youngsters not willing to go ahead with their education.... Every nation has a "rump" of stupid/uneducatable/feckless...............would you like a list?....:) Quoting: ren u seem to have forgotten very quickly how poor you were in the past No...the Irish have very long memories, just like the Poles....we never forget......

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	May 4, 07, 13:40 / #
Quoting: zion your opinions please To respond to the original post.....I think maybe 20% may stay, the remainder numbers will be seasonal/university types, savers for a deposit in a house/business......until the economies begin to equalise.......these percentages will fluctuate, then dwindle away....it may be 2/5/15 yrs...or until the Celtic Tiger dies a death....:(

UKGUYThreads: 4 Posts: 173 Joined: Mar 4, 07	May 8, 07, 11:28 / #
Ola just becuase your ashamed of Poland, other Poles might like it - so how can you say 90% will stay. Anyway I've got a good job waiting for you here in Englad (do you like picking peas at my Dad's farm?)

UKGUYThreads: 4 Posts: 173 Joined: Mar 4, 07	May 8, 07, 11:59 / #
I don't think 90% will stay becuase alot of the jobs are temporary and you can't buy a decent home for under £250,000

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	May 8, 07, 12:36 / #
We have an ever increasing number of Poles here, some been here for several years, ok, most have not bought a house, but at least they have a job, contribute and get very valuable experience, never mind getting a deposit for a building plot, house, farm, business...which, they could NEVER have dreamt of 3-4-5 yrs ago...... They are doing their best to live the EU, capitalist/western dream........is that so bad?

ola123	Edited by: ola123 May 4, 07, 13:41 / #
Yes stay there and bless them, 90% will stay imho.

ola123	May 8, 07, 11:32 / #
Where am I ashamed of Poland? 90% will stay because they have jobs, homes there and money, why would they want to go back? And why are you ashamed of your homeand Romania and why are you pretending to be english?

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	May 8, 07, 16:00 / #
Quoting: Frank ...is that so bad? not at all :) its great i think :) diveresity

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	May 9, 07, 04:32 / #
Just what the country needed imo. Couldn't really pick a better nation for immigrants - roman catholic, white, (developing) English speakers, hard workers, well educated. No better nation for integration. I don't want romanians or bulgarians unfortunately, not racist but it would pull things asunder.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	May 9, 07, 04:34 / #
I agree with dannyboy - its great to have such diversity now and it came at the best time too! Ireland and Poland are similar in many ways and We've both found that on our trips to and from the various countries.

Poles to stay or not to stay [in Ireland] - is there a question?