Celebrate Polish success; Poland best to invest

Puzzler wrote:

My God, I always wonder why there are people who hate the country they were born in and the country's best sons? Where do such haters all come from? Some of them live abroad and vilify their native country from there. At the same time, they dress their foreign-born children in the national costume of their despised native country and post the pics of the children on the Internet, and brag about it. Why indeed?

jareck8	Oct 31, 07, 07:46 / #
the secoond best place to invest... and foreign direct investment to estimate around 15 bill euros... the futures bright... thanks to no more communists and the kaczinskis building strong international relationships.. now the job gets harder... the tusk crew needs to maintain this success.. less corruption,.. more skilled labour, less unemployment ... well done everyone

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Oct 31, 07, 07:51 / #
Quoting: jareck8 the kaczinskis building strong international relationships.. damn... just choked on my coffee...

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Oct 31, 07, 07:54 / #
chip propaganda

jareck8	Oct 31, 07, 08:00 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo damn... just choked on my coffee... oh what a shame.. go to the nhs maybe they can help you... probably short of staff and put you on a waiting list

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Oct 31, 07, 08:09 / #
wouldnt it just be better for you to accept that the twins didnt really do a great deal for poland internationally...?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Oct 31, 07, 08:16 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo wouldnt it just be better for you to accept that the twins didnt really do a great deal for poland internationally...? I couldn't wait for those two venomous snakes to be removed from power.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Oct 31, 07, 08:34 / #
they did seem to be a laughing stock

jareck8	Oct 31, 07, 12:10 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo they did seem to be a laughing stock you could be right but look at the biger picture, everyone has their good and bad points.. the economy is better... we slumped so hard down becasue of the cummunists.. hellooooooooooooooo thats why so many poles are out, but they will return..

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Oct 31, 07, 12:12 / #
can the twins really take all credit for poland's improved economy...?

jareck8	Oct 31, 07, 12:16 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo can the twins really take all credit for poland's improved economy...? so how come other countries weren,t chosen, the twins especially lech has been workign hard to make poland an indepenent state, no more pressure from the germans no more pressure from the russians... is there anythign wrong with that... education is improving, jobs are bad but stock market has been going up, real estatte, new factories why so much complain... just because half of the nation is misreabale doesnt mean that everyone should be

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Oct 31, 07, 12:19 / #
i find it really difficult to follow your train of thought jareck... let alone your point

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Oct 31, 07, 13:17 / #
I think most people fear/are influenced by what other people/counties think of the twins - rather than actually consider what the twins have done. Poland speaks for all ex-commi counties becuase it's bigger and more noticeable. Poland popped up from nowhere and demanded respect. She needed a firm hand and guts - otherwise she would have got a crap deal. The other western countires and Russia were irritated by this and preferred to keep Poland in touch. Their new europe had to make way for more voices. The twins had a very hard job. They were not perfect but a lot of Poles liked their firm and fair approach - within reason. It commands respect. Once Poland has re-established her deserved equal place in Europe - THEN can she deal with the rest in the usual wet diplomatic way. Take a look a Churchill - he was hated and mistrusted - until he saved England during time of need. When he saved England people cheered stability returned and then they booted him out for a less adventurous leader.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Edited by: BubbaWoo Oct 31, 07, 13:33 / #
Quoting: ogorek Once Poland has re-established her deserved equal place in Europe i think poland needs to earn her place in europe. it is wrong that after so many years of communist rule, outside and apart from the rest of europe, seperate from the development and growth that has been experienced and earnt other european countries, many of which have gone thru considerable hardship in order to achieve this, to expect to be able to now compete on the same field. its a little bit on the presumptious side the twins may well have had a hard job but their approach has not commanded respect where it matters, far from it. poland will most likely become one of the big european players but this is not a given right and it will not be handed to them on a plate. once she has earnt herself a place on the playing field poland will be able to demand the respect she has earnt but until this time has come, batting above her league will not win her friends or respect

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Nov 21, 07, 14:20 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo i think poland needs to earn her place in europe. Poland has been a member of Europe for over 1000 years - and has contributed to it's development many times - led by example. She does not need to earn anything. It's not her fault she has been held back by hostile oppression. Quoting: BubbaWoo to expect to be able to now compete on the same field. its a little bit on the presumptious side Give me one reason why Poland should not be able to TRY to compete on the same field? You make it sound like Poland has been disqualified for a wrong doing and has to kiss-ass her way back up. It's so arrogant. If she does not try, she will not learn/rehabilitate. Quoting: BubbaWoo many of which have gone thru considerable hardship in order to achieve this Any country usually must go through hardship in order to progress. That's normal. It's nothing special and does not help your argument. At least they were free to do so and they were not sandwiched inbetween Ruissia and Germany. Surviving that for 1000 years - now that's hardship - that deserves respect. For the other countries - opportunity falls in their favour - and they take it. They develop. It's normal. Hard work sure - but nothing special. Quoting: BubbaWoo will not be handed to them on a plate You see - there it is. I did not say that. It is not consistant to my point. Poland will always fight for her place - her respect - just like she has always done. It's the attitudes that exist which bug me. Just because Poland was destroyed and kidnapped by the communists - it does not take away her dignity, pride, intelligence, capability, wisdom, inspiration, potential and her respect. You think it does? You said - all is fair in love and war. It's not. That's why the Geneva Convention was born. People are not always animals.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Oct 31, 07, 12:20 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo can the twins really take all credit for poland's improved economy...? No. No economy in the world can radically improve in such a short space of time BW (which I know you know and that he doesn't know). The changes in the Polish economy have been coming over the last 10 years or more.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Nov 21, 07, 19:19 / #
Quoting: ogorek It's not her fault she has been held back by hostile oppression. but it happened none the less Quoting: ogorek Give me one reason why Poland should not be able to TRY to compete on the same field? try by all means - te quicker you can the better for everyone Quoting: ogorek It's so arrogant no - the arrogance is to think that poland is currently able to compete effectively Quoting: ogorek Surviving that for 1000 years - now that's hardship - that deserves respect get over it already Quoting: ogorek Just because Poland was destroyed and kidnapped by the communists - it does not take away her dignity, pride, intelligence, capability, wisdom, inspiration, potential and her respect. not what i said accept the facts as they are, stop moaning and work towards your future

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Nov 21, 07, 19:29 / #
Quoting: jareck8 the kaczinskis <<<GASP>>>

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Nov 25, 07, 17:57 / #
Quoting: z_darius I couldn't wait for those two venomous snakes to be removed from power - Well, somebody's venom here seems to suggest it's not any of the Kaczynskis who is a snake. My God, I always wonder why there are people who hate the country they were born in and the country's best sons? Where do such haters all come from? Some of them live abroad and vilify their native country from there. At the same time, they dress their foreign-born children in the national costume of their despised native country and post the pics of the children on the Internet, and brag about it. Why indeed? Quoting: BubbaWoo they did seem to be a laughing stock - The media propagandists throughout Europe have made them look so. Have you ever questioned what the media folks say?

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Jan 5, 08, 19:51 / #
ogorek wrote: Give me one reason why Poland should not be able to TRY to compete on the same field? BubbaWoo wrote: try by all means - te quicker you can the better for everyone Take any country in Europe (on it's own) and tell me - what can they do that Poland can't. Now, in this case quantity is not an issue - or is it just purely down to money and riches? Are you saying - when Poland is rich enough to gain "respect" ??? BubbaWoo wrote: accept the facts as they are, stop moaning and work towards your future You have given me no facts - just your opinion... BubbaWoo wrote: get over it already Historians have repededly quoted For most parts of Europe, WWII was very real but their suffering cannot be compared to that of Poland and east of BubbaWoo wrote: stop moaning and work towards your future Poland is one of the most forward looking countries in Europe mainly because of her past. She only looks back when provoked. And here you are... I'm not entirely sure you know all the facts.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Edited by: BubbaWoo Jan 5, 08, 20:03 / #
ogorek wrote: Take any country in Europe (on it's own) england ogorek wrote: and tell me - what can they do that Poland can't. provide hundreds of thousands of poles with jobs ogorek wrote: I'm not entirely sure you know all the facts. the polish are quickly replacing the english as europes most arrogant people - if you cant see the obvious then theres not a lot that can be said infact hang on a cotton pickin moment you cheeky little pole - perhaps we should give you the opportunity to justify your arrogance and explain to us how poland has managed to come out of decades of communism and in just a few years have caught up with the rest of europe the cheek of it stop fukin moaning and work towards your future

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Jan 5, 08, 20:14 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: provide hundreds of thousands of poles with jobs currently we need Poles back home but if they are not going to comeback we will take lauborers form China.

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Jan 5, 08, 20:37 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: provide hundreds of thousands of poles with jobs Yeah - slavery got england rich in the first place! BubbaWoo wrote: the polish are quickly replacing the english as europes most arrogant people - if you cant see the obvious then theres not a lot that can be said Define arrogant!!! Defending honour?? Being proud??? Being cheeky??? cleaning someones shitter and smilling at the end??? BubbaWoo wrote: infact hang on a cotton pickin moment you cheeky little pole - perhaps we should give you the opportunity to justify your arrogance and explain to us how poland has managed to come out of decades of communism and in just a few years have caught up with the rest of europe Poland should not have been communist in the first freekin place. What do you mean by "caught up"? What does Poland need to "catch up"?? Poland has free human beings in a democracy, who work, have industry, play, sing & dance, pay taxes, play music, sport, defend, create, cultivate. Poland is not as rich as western Europe. Is that what you mean. Money. Is that all that it takes to be in the club?? Well in that case yes, sometime in the future they will catch up and be respected - and silly them for being distroyed and taken over by communists while the rest stood by and watched. I'm not a Pole. I'm English.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Jan 5, 08, 20:47 / #
ogorek wrote: slavery got england rich in the first place! whats that got to do with the price of eggs...? ogorek wrote: Define arrogant insolently proud ogorek wrote: Poland should not have been communist in the first freekin place. so what...? ogorek wrote: I'm not a Pole you moan like one

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Jan 5, 08, 20:56 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: explain to us how poland has managed to come out of decades of communism and in just a few years have caught up with the rest of europe not quite so yet, but is surely getting there. ogorek wrote: sometime in the future they will catch up and be respected Yep, they will. They just need to: BubbaWoo wrote: stop fukin moaning and work towards your future

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jan 6, 08, 08:02 / #
Puzzler wrote: My God, I always wonder why there are people who hate the country they were born in and the country's best sons? Where do such haters all come from? Some of them live abroad and vilify their native country from there. At the same time, they dress their foreign-born children in the national costume of their despised native country and post the pics of the children on the Internet, and brag about it. Why indeed? To be honest, I must agree and have said from time to time, pretty much the same thing myself. Its human nature, I guess.

Express12Threads: - Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 26, 07	Jan 6, 08, 16:09 / #
Poland is one of the best place in Europe to invest;-)

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jan 7, 08, 04:38 / #
Express12 wrote: oland is one of the best place in Europe to invest;-) Its a fairly politically stable country but there is so much false accounting going on. We have a friend, a Pole who was a builder in Wrocław and now prefers to be a cleaner in our local hospital! He says that you can buy a house or land and you think its yours until you are told differently. I could never invest or live in such a funny country.

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Feb 3, 08, 14:25 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: ogorek wrote: slavery got england rich in the first place! whats that got to do with the price of eggs...? The price of eggs would be cheaper due to cheaper labour BubbaWoo wrote: ogorek wrote: Define arrogant insolently proud Insolently is just another word for arrogant. BubbaWoo wrote: ogorek wrote: Poland should not have been communist in the first freekin place. so what...? A man in a wheelchair temporarily disabled, "Ha! You are in a wheel chair and therefore you cannot enter my club - you are not equal to me - I can run and jump! All you can do is sit there... DOH!! A wheelchair ramp. BubbaWoo wrote: ogorek wrote: I'm not a Pole you moan like one Define moan. When you do - you will find I am not moaning - but simply broadening the narrow mind. AND now back to my original question : what can another EU country do that Poland can't? I beleive your first answer has been nutralised.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Feb 3, 08, 14:29 / #
keep up mate - that was ages ago we've moved on mate - you should too

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Feb 3, 08, 16:04 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: keep up mate - that was ages ago we've moved on mate - you should too Unfortunately - I have a life 'on the otherside'...