Ikea suspends all investments in Poland

Seanus:

Seeing as u like statistics, u've misspelt it three times, just for the record.

Oh, btw, we don't pluralise furniture to furnitures. Pieces of furniture, yes.

Come on preacher man, tell me all about economics. It was one of my weaker subjects at Uni so, like a Ferengi, I'm all ears.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 2, 08, 16:05 / #
Swedish IKEA halted all of its investment projects in Poland due to stipulations in the act on large space stores, which hinders development of such outlets. Despite earlier announcements, the government did not uplift the law left by the previous government. http://www.wbj.pl/?command=article&id=40948 Move in good direction. What kind of investment is that. Shop ? sucking out money.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 2, 08, 16:53 / #
they always have a hard time around poles, even in Chicago.

monica23Threads: 1 Posts: 9 Joined: Jun 5, 08	Jul 4, 08, 03:38 / #
But I think Ikea is a good shopping choice . Some of their merchandise are really well designed and not expensive.

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 4, 08, 04:37 / #
ski: Shop ? sucking out money. Not quite sure what you mean by that. You make it sound almost like IKEA is forcing people to spend their money there. Which would be a typically stupid thing to say. IKEA in the 3M is always crowded. Always full of Poles. Always happy to spend their money. If not on furniture then on cheap ice cream and hot dogs.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 4, 08, 05:07 / #
Don't teach Polish Jews economy ... :)

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 4, 08, 05:26 / #
You really do come across as a mixed up no hope kid :)

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 4, 08, 05:40 / #
when we look on statisics (May Forbes) foreign companies are weaker and weaker in comparison to Polish retailers. Furnitures? Ikea ? Polish furnitures are Polish export hit (western&eastern europe) you can talk what you want. Statisitcs don't lie.

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 4, 08, 05:43 / #
Yes, but that's not actually what youve said, is it And just for your future reference, statistics most certainly lie

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 4, 08, 06:21 / #
Boy you like to create reality like you want :) By your priggish stance it is easier to show reasons of some decisions.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Jul 4, 08, 06:24 / #
I quite like IKEA, but if Polish law doesn't want much needed foreign investment, then who am i to argue.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Edited by: dtaylor Jul 4, 08, 06:30 / #
ski: It is not possible to build enormously big shoping mail in center of town Isn't the point that building close to the center means its easier for people to get to? For example, the IKEA in Krakow is an absolute nightmare to get to. I live in the center and it takes me 3 buses to get there. I don't think IKEA is looking at this as "avoiding the law", but simply showing how gaff the law is.

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 4, 08, 06:32 / #
The 3M IKEA is on the outskirts of the city. In a large commercial development. No idea how easy it is to get to by public transport but the car park is normally full

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Jul 4, 08, 06:35 / #
dtaylor: I quite like IKEA Me too. Nice meatballs in the caff. Not to keen on the walk all around the store to find out the bit you need ia at the end of the walk though. Are other companies thinking of stopping investment? How are the likes of Carrefour affected for example

miranda	Edited by: miranda Jul 4, 08, 06:48 / #
I admit that some parts of Poland are not visually pleasing, but IKEA and the likes is a short term solution for that. Foreign investors are there for the profit not for the improvement of the "visuals" of Polish commie architectual disaster. I think what Ski was trying to say (correct me if I am wrong) there should be more people who support Polish bussiness and Polish products. I am not sure how many Polish products IKEA is distributing, but I am sure the company is not doing that for the sole purpose of supporting the Polish product. I personally like IKEA, but one gets dragged into buying more than one needs. My Polish friend runs a small bussiness and I personally wintessed her refusing to support non-Polish suppliers.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 4, 08, 06:28 / #
It is not possible to open enourmosly big shop in center of town ... sorry ikea ...

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 4, 08, 06:28 / #
If Poles dont want to shop at IKEA then they wont. But the IKEAs Ive been to in Poland have been full. With Poles. Spending their money in foreign shops. I wonder what those statistics suggest

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Edited by: dtaylor Jul 4, 08, 06:35 / #
Plus even if they did build in the center. In most Polish towns it would be a big improvement compared to some of the ****** looking commy buildings.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Jul 4, 08, 06:56 / #
dtaylor: Are other companies thinking of stopping investment? How are the likes of Carrefour affected for example I'm not sure. Talking about Polish Products in the market, alot of the meat is bought in from the Ukraine. miranda: but IKEA and the likes is a short term solution for that. Maybe the law shouldn't discourage chains, but state that if they build in certain areas, the architectual look of the building must match with it's surroundings.

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 4, 08, 07:06 / #
miranda: My Polish friend runs a small bussiness and I personally wintessed her refusing to support non-Polish suppliers Lets not be under any illusions here. Polish small businesses are screwed by the Polish government and Polish landlords, not by non-Polish suppliers.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 4, 08, 07:09 / #
I'm not here to educate Polish people. :) Some members here sugest where we shouldn't buy :) Statisitcs ... statistsics show new trend on Polish market ... Polish shoping center in center of town (I wouldn't call it small busniess) It looks better than Ikea :)

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 4, 08, 07:14 / #
Geezuz H Kriste. Look how many Polish people there are in that bottom picture. All in a new shopping mall

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 4, 08, 07:15 / #
VaFunkoolo: Geezuz H Kriste. Look how many Polish people there are in that bottom picture. All in a new shopping mall Yes it is Kulczyk's shoping mall. She pays taxes here and reinvest money here.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 4, 08, 07:16 / #
Seeing as u like statistics, u've misspelt it three times, just for the record. Oh, btw, we don't pluralise furniture to furnitures. Pieces of furniture, yes. Come on preacher man, tell me all about economics. It was one of my weaker subjects at Uni so, like a Ferengi, I'm all ears.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Jul 4, 08, 07:20 / #
ski: ski How many foreign business's are in the mall?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jul 4, 08, 07:23 / #
ski: Ikea suspends all investments in Poland After a few purchases I have suspended all my investments in IKEA. I am not into remodeling my home every year, so when I buy furniture I need it to last a bit longer than that.

miranda	Jul 4, 08, 07:24 / #
VaFunkoolo: Lets not be under any illusions here I am not under any illusion here. I gave an example of certain behaviour. VaFunkoolo: Polish small businesses are screwed by the Polish government and Polish landlords, not by non-Polish suppliers. elaborate please.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Jul 4, 08, 07:29 / #
miranda: elaborate please. For example, one of the schools i work for, had to move from their location because the landlord raised the rent by 100%. This is becoming quite the trend in Krakow, not only for business's, but for tennants. My landlord raised the rent on my flat by 300pln, for no other reason than he could.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jul 4, 08, 07:30 / #
dtaylor: How many foreign business's are in the mall? I am not against all foreign companies :) I am sure there is KFC and Nike (made in china with stakeholders in Saudi Arabia I havent checked this data just joke ):) Sometimes I buy products from countries where Polish products are popular. :) I'll never buy products form country where Polish products are not popular or someting is wrong in our contacts :) Seanus: Seeing as u like statistics, u've misspelt it three times, just for the record. Oh, btw, we don't pluralise furniture to furnitures. Pieces of furniture, yes. Come on preacher man, tell me all about economics. It was one of my weaker subjects at Uni so, like a Ferengi, I'm all ears. Why I should teach you. It is enought you teach Poles here - where they shouldn't buy :)

miranda	Jul 4, 08, 07:58 / #
dtaylor: This is becoming quite the trend in Krakow, not only for business's, but for tennants.My landlord raised the rent on my flat by 300pln, for no other reason than he could. that is a trend all over the world and I am sure that it is a pain for some. The only solution is a government regulation which seem to be "out of style" even here, in Canada. The good old days with rent control regulated by the government are gone.

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Edited by: VaFunkoolo Jul 4, 08, 10:09 / #
Life for the HONEST small business owner is very very difficult in Poland Miranda. I have posted previously about the outragous rent hikes in and around Sopot where it is nigh on impossible for an honest trader to make an honest profit. As a result, they dont. Businesses are closing. Units are sitting empty and unscrupulous business people are coming in to make a fast buck at other peoples' expense, and then buggering off leaving debts unpaid and others in the lurch