Smoking in bars or restaraunts in Poland. This nasty habit continues...

Quoting: casper

The whole no smoking ban in the UK comes at the same time as the government is actively supporting gambling and casino's. I cannot understand the logic. Yes smoking is unhealthy but rarely does it bankrupt and ruin people. Whilst gambling although not directly unhealthy for the body is extremely unhealthy for the mind and soul, and purse.
It just goes to show the silly state of affairs we the public find ourselves.

pejkoThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Sep 5, 07	Sep 6, 07, 05:44 / #
why does this nasty habit still continue in poland,it puts me off going out in poland,it is banned in france ,belguim, italy,spain,the u.k

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Edited by: Wroclaw Sep 6, 07, 05:56 / #
Quoting: pejko smoking in bars restaraunts I don't have a problem with it. What amused me when I was last in the UK was the amount of dog ends around pub doorways. I also found myself speaking to fellow smokers outside, including some people I wouldn't normally speak to. I think the rules will change here in the not too distant future.

RonekThreads: 1 Posts: 297 Joined: Sep 4, 07	Sep 6, 07, 05:58 / #
Well I dont like smoking in pubs and restaurants. But to be perectly honest with you its maybe better the way it is right now. There are pubs and restaurants were you are forbiden to smoke but if you go to a typical bar you will probably deal with smokers it's your choice. And since when the government should tell private pub/restaurant owners how they should I ran their business. As one comedian once said (I think it was Lewis Black): "You're in a pub, drinking poison, trying to have sex unsafely with somebody you don't know, is the second hand smoking the chieffest of your concerns? grow up"

sapphireThreads: 28 Posts: 1,418 Joined: Dec 7, 06	Sep 6, 07, 06:19 / #
freedom of choice has been taken away from smokers. Go back to the old system of smoking rooms or simply have smoking and non smoking pubs is what I think. I posted on this before asking when it was coming to Poland, but no-one seemed to know. The new craze is apparantly smirting (smoking and flirting) where as Wroclaw says you get chatting to people you normallly wouldnt outside the pub.. so guess every cloud has a silver lining. People have been complaining about fag ends on the streets, but they should provide proper bins to put them in.. some pubs do this, but not many.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 6, 07, 06:21 / #
i love it. :D

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Sep 6, 07, 06:23 / #
Quoting: sapphire Go back to the old system Right. Bring back the saloon bar/lounge bar/snugs to our pubs. Make the lounge bars non smoking, the saloon bars smoking and the snugs for snuggling up to people that you want to flirt with.

wozzyThreads: 13 Posts: 231 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Sep 6, 07, 06:58 / #
non smoking bars and other public places are a blessing I can wear my shirt more than once. I don't have to hang my jacket in the trees to freshen it up. My eyes don't water after the first hour. I don't feel like my nose belongs to someone else in the morning. Quoting: Ronek is the second hand smoking the chieffest of your concerns? Yes. Quoting: sapphire freedom of choice has been taken away from smokers. And I've been given the choice to breath fresh air again. As Sapphire and Wroclaw have said, whole new communities have sprung up in public places where people smoke and chat so everybody is better off....

wozzyThreads: 13 Posts: 231 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Sep 6, 07, 07:09 / #
Just one more thought .......I propose they should designate a special area where uncontrolable farters could sit, fart and flirt :o)

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Sep 6, 07, 10:01 / #
Quoting: wozzy I propose they should designate a special area where uncontrolable farters could sit, fart and flirt I thought that was what Yates Wine Lodges were for. Last time I went in one there was evidence to that LOL

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 6, 07, 10:12 / #
My brother, when in lived in Ireland, liked the smoking ban. He said it was a great way of meeting girls. You pop outside for a cigarette, get talking, and you can actually hear them (unlike inside). In the UK, bouncers at clubs seem to use the ban as an excuse to be nasty to anyone having a smoke within 10m of the building. The irony is, quite a few smokers (myself not included) like the band because it will help them give up, and many non-smokers don't like it because they have to freeze their *******s off standing outside with their mates who are smoking. Although, I actually prefer being outdoors (that's why I work there), especially in the cold (not so much in the rain). I haven't had a lock-in at my favourite pub in the village since the ban came in.

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Sep 6, 07, 12:36 / #
Quoting: wozzy Can you imagine the chat up lines in the farters lounge. " hello you smell nice.... No don't tell me let me guess what you ate to smell like that......Cabage and icecream Yes ?..yes I thought so." " Yes you'r right, but you have to have the icecream first, that way the raspberry permeates through and gives the after smell... ...You look quite bloated suits you" Lordy lordy the mind runs riot.............. ROTFLMFAO :))

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Sep 6, 07, 13:10 / #
January 1st, the ban goes into effect here ( Illinois) in all bars and resturants you wont be able even smoke within 20 ft. of the door.

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Sep 6, 07, 13:21 / #
Quoting: osiol That's nasty. Pub gardens in my neck of the woods are rarely big enough for a rule like that. Thats what ppl do now in the non smoking restaurants they go outside and hang out in front of the doors and smoke, thats why thier passing that law. Its a good idea to ban it in restaurants, I dont like smoke in my face when I`m eating. But in a pub it doesnt bother me.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 6, 07, 13:37 / #
I was in a pub a while ago. People were eating chips. All I could smell was the stench of grease and cheap vinegar! Tobacco smells nice and sweet. I smoke, but don't like it when I'm eating. Restaurants maybe. Pubs no.

wozzyThreads: 13 Posts: 231 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Sep 6, 07, 11:52 / #
Quoting: szarlotka that was what Yates Wine Lodges were for Can you imagine the chat up lines in the farters lounge. " hello you smell nice.... No don't tell me let me guess what you ate to smell like that......Cabage and icecream Yes ?..yes I thought so." " Yes you'r right, but you have to have the icecream first, that way the raspberry permeates through and gives the after smell... ...You look quite bloated suits you" Lordy lordy the mind runs riot..............

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 6, 07, 12:41 / #
Quoting: wozzy farters lounge Right next to the egg sandwiches room.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Edited by: osiol Sep 6, 07, 13:15 / #
Quoting: sledz you wont be able even smoke within 20 ft. of the door That's nasty. Pub gardens in my neck of the woods are rarely big enough for a rule like that. Bit if it's possible in Ireland where it rains most of the time... In Poland, I've drunk more outdoors than indoors.

sapphireThreads: 28 Posts: 1,418 Joined: Dec 7, 06	Sep 6, 07, 13:45 / #
what about landlords who smoke and live and work in the pub.. they are being discriminated against and have no choice. A lot of pubs are going out of business and although they might now attract non-smokers, they are generally not big spenders. I appreciate non-smokers dont want to passive smoke, but if there were smoking and non smoking pubs there would be a choice for everyone.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Sep 6, 07, 16:18 / #
Quoting: pejko spain Pubs in Spain under 100sqm can decide whether they are smoking or non smoking. Over 100sqm they can have a designated smoking section. Guess what the small bars chose ?

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Edited by: szarlotka Sep 10, 07, 10:02 / #
Artificial scents are set to be pumped into British pubs to mask the smell of stale beer, sweat and other odours previously camouflaged by cigarette smoke, a newspaper reports. Mitchells and Butlers, which runs about 2,000 pubs across Britain, is testing leather, freshly cut grass, and ocean breeze fragrances in its premises since a ban on smoking in enclosed public space began in England on July 1, The Sunday Times reports. "Appetising food smells have increased but others are less attractive, such as stale food and beer, damp, sweat and body odour, drains and - how do you put this nicely - flatulence," senior marketing manager Oliver Devine was quoted as saying. "We are considering trialling the smell of leather, which suggests luxury and indulgence and cut grass, which is clean and domestic," he said. The newspaper says an "ozonic" fragrance mimicking the smell of sea breeze has been tried out in four M and B pubs in Edinburgh and Glasgow in Scotland. Interesting. What would you like your pub to smell of now?

casper	Sep 11, 07, 02:50 / #
The whole no smoking ban in the UK comes at the same time as the government is actively supporting gambling and casino's. I cannot understand the logic. Yes smoking is unhealthy but rarely does it bankrupt and ruin people. Whilst gambling although not directly unhealthy for the body is extremely unhealthy for the mind and soul, and purse. It just goes to show the silly state of affairs we the public find ourselves.

wozzyThreads: 13 Posts: 231 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Sep 11, 07, 03:08 / #
Quoting: casper The whole no smoking ban in the UK comes at the same time as the government is actively supporting gambling and casino's. I cannot understand the logic. Yes smoking is unhealthy but rarely does it bankrupt and ruin people. Whilst gambling although not directly unhealthy for the body is extremely unhealthy for the mind and soul, and purse. It just goes to show the silly state of affairs we the public find ourselves. Got to get revenue from somewhere

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Sep 11, 07, 03:25 / #
Quoting: wozzy Got to get revenue from somewhere absolutely My boss was complaing yesterday that convicted criminals in prison, have better rights than him. When he wants to smoke he no longer has a warm dry smoking room to go to at work, he has to stand outside in the wind and the rain. It's the same when he goes to the pub, he has said that if he continues to defy the smoking ban and get thrown into prison, he will get a nice warm dry cell to smoke in.

casper	Sep 11, 07, 03:28 / #
Hmmm....."nice warm dry cell to smoke in." Whats yours bosses name, David Brent?

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Sep 11, 07, 04:28 / #
Quoting: casper Whats yours bosses name, David Brent? In comparison to my boss, David Brent would get a boss of the year award. Where i work is more like 'the office' than 'the office'

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Sep 12, 07, 12:16 / #
A STOP smoking day will take place for Polish people in the Capital. URL

HussarThreads: - Posts: 10 Joined: Nov 2, 07	Jul 9, 08, 01:15 / #
pejko: why does this nasty habit still continue in poland,it puts me off going out in poland,it is banned in france ,belguim, italy,spain,the u.k Ahh yes the nasty habit of freedom to do something that one likes with a legal product or substance. How about the nasty habit of a free person making a personal choice…to smoke or not to smoke that is the question. To enter an establishment that allows smoking in it or not, that can also be a question. Lets not forget the nasty habit of allowing a business owner to make his/her own decision who to cater to rather than a legislator. I can understand the dislike of the smell etc. Seems however that what all you anti-smoking nazis don't understand is the simple idea of personal freedom. Your freedom to breath fresh air is and has always been yours as was the choice to enter a bar or a restaurant with a smoking section. Ohh by the way second hand smoke is a joke and if you buy into such nonsense your simply naïve. I have no problem with the idea of trying to accommodate both through good filtration systems and separation, but I sure do have a problem with baseless fascism favoring one group of people over another. Your rights do not out weigh, why would you think they do? why would you want them to? Be aware of the big picture. lets not be selfish now.

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08	Jul 9, 08, 01:28 / #
Theres a link here that shows the status of smoking bans in Europe but I am not convinced it's totally up to date: http://www.epha.org/a/1941 Regarding Poland they mention a ban in the news every now and then but I don't think anything concrete has been decided yet...