Should "noimmigration" be banned permanently? Your opinions please.

Lir:

You wouldn't be prosecuted by your employer. You would have charges brought against you by the Police. You couldn't be dismissed until the case had been heard also you cannot just dismiss people and if you had studied law you would know that.

It's racist and there are laws against racism. Spoken words of racism are just as liable to be against the law as racist actions. But you know this if you have studied Law.

If sufficient people complain about your posts to the Police then they will investigate.

Don't you remember Celebrity Big Brother and the racist comments that were made towards one of the people appearing on there ?

You know nonimmigration, it would be easier to just join in and debate in normal decent ways and still get a lot out of it. You appear to have some intelligence, appear to like coming on PF so why don't you make a fresh start and then maybe everyone can relax again and start enjoying the forum ?

noimmigration	Nov 29, 08, 14:57 / #
in western europe we can say what we want, obviously some poles on this forum still think they are under communist rule. I would advise people critising me to go and watch katyn. That will show what attitudes like yours did to your country.

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Nov 29, 08, 14:58 / #
As I remember he got banned for posting a burning man picture in relation to article about Polish man who got burned? While it was malicious and stupid of him, but he didn't create these pictures. There are hundreds of terrible pictures on Google, just type-in a keyword. For example: burned man images. They don't filter them too. I would like the idea of banning Google too, but it's not realistic and most people will not blame Google for hosting such images. I wonder why?

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Nov 29, 08, 14:58 / #
espana: ok let him do what he want but please i dont want to see photos of people dying in this forum i did not see or read the comment he was banned for and i was not having a go at you.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Nov 29, 08, 14:59 / #
noimmigration: That will show what attitudes like yours did to your country You stupid piece of ****.

noimmigration	Nov 29, 08, 15:00 / #
Filios1: You stupid piece of ****. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 29, 08, 15:01 / #
Filios1: Are you kidding? Comparing Crow to noimmigration? There is quite a distinction there, and you are blind if you don't see it... Yup...I see the distinction here: Crow wants to destroy "evil germanics", every second sentence is hate speech and war mongering against many countries and peoples. That seems to be okay and even finds supporter. Noimmi can't stand Poles...(why he likes it here I dunno but it's hard to throw mud at Poles on a english-only board). So what....

Lir	Nov 29, 08, 15:02 / #
noimmigration: No I wouldnt, I would merely be summarily dismissed. I have studied case law in regards to european statue and the employment rights act. If they went around prosecuting everyone who said a politically incorrect remark then the law would be doing nothing else. Oh and you can only be prosecuted for posting on the internet under the internet obscenity act. This act only covers video clips ie. etc of bestiality. Not making politically incorrect remarks You wouldn't be prosecuted by your employer. You would have charges brought against you by the Police. You couldn't be dismissed until the case had been heard also you cannot just dismiss people and if you had studied law you would know that. It's racist and there are laws against racism. Spoken words of racism are just as liable to be against the law as racist actions. But you know this if you have studied Law. If sufficient people complain about your posts to the Police then they will investigate. Don't you remember Celebrity Big Brother and the racist comments that were made towards one of the people appearing on there ? You know nonimmigration, it would be easier to just join in and debate in normal decent ways and still get a lot out of it. You appear to have some intelligence, appear to like coming on PF so why don't you make a fresh start and then maybe everyone can relax again and start enjoying the forum ?

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Nov 29, 08, 15:03 / #
Lir: Okay, You're entitled to your opinion, so how would you feel if you were black and African or married to an African or do you also agree to this sort of post as being 'freedom of speech' ? to be honest name calling has never bothered me and look at previous posts on here titled 10 things i hate about the english. surely that is racist also?

Lir	Nov 29, 08, 15:04 / #
Bratwurst Boy: So what.... Good job majority of people don't think like that. All human beings deserve to be treated as equals no person is better than an other. Racism has no place in todays society.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 29, 08, 15:05 / #
Lir: Racism has no place in todays society. Well...world to Lir....Racism is alive and well!

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Nov 29, 08, 15:06 / #
And Noimmigration now has everyone fighting amongst themselves over him. I imagine he's enjoing reading all the fan mail he's getting :(

pawianThreads: 80 Posts: 4,542 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Nov 29, 08, 15:07 / #
Excuse me, but the poll is subjective/partial. There is no choice like: I have no opinion/I don`t care. That is my choice. To be honest, I haven`t read anything of noimmigration for a month or so. Whenever I see the nickname, I skip these posts. I couldn`t care less if the person is in the forum or not. And that is a rule to follow,. If someone unnerves you, ignore him/her and no problem.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Nov 29, 08, 15:08 / #
Daisy: And Noimmigration now has everyone fighting amongst themselves over him. I imagine he's enjoing reading all the fan mail he's getting :( its not fighting just a debate

noimmigration	Nov 29, 08, 15:17 / #
I didnt do anything wrong, why should I apologize ?

noimmigration	Nov 29, 08, 15:05 / #
Lir: You wouldn't be prosecuted by your employer. You would have charges brought against you by the Police. You couldn't be dismissed until the case had been heard also you cannot just dismiss people and if you had studied law you would know that. It's racist and there are laws against racism. Spoken words of racism are just as liable to be against the law as racist actions. But you know this if you have studied Law. If sufficient people complain about your posts to the Police then they will investigate. Don't you remember Celebrity Big Brother and the racist comments that were made towards one of the people appearing on there ? You know nonimmigration, it would be easier to just join in and debate in normal decent ways and still get a lot out of it. You appear to have some intelligence, appear to like coming on PF so why don't you make a fresh start and then maybe everyone can relax again and start enjoying the forum ? Summary dismissal is a dissmisal on the spot for gross misconduct. You CAN just dismiss people if you are legally able to revert to this method.

Lir	Nov 29, 08, 15:07 / #
time means: surely that is racist also? No. You need to look at what he wrote. If you don't like something about someone else thats fair enough. everyone has a right to say what they like and don't like but comparing human beings dying of aids the same as a deer cull <with the inference that it's ok cos they are African> is not ok. And i am sure you can see the difference ? Hope so anyway.

Lir	Edited by: Lir Nov 29, 08, 15:09 / #
Bratwurst Boy: world to Lir... I don't know what you mean by that . But I am not going to argue with you BB. As I said before Racism has no place here or anywhere else. time means: its not fighting just a debate I agree

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 29, 08, 15:12 / #
Lir: As I said before Racism has no place here or anywhere else. Then you should add some more posters on your to-be-censored-to-be-thrown-out-black-list. But to be honest, I prefer a wild board with all colors and opinions and not controlled by a moral finger wagging Überadmin! In a free society everybody should have the right to say what he wants and everybody should have the choice to ignore him!

noimmigration	Nov 29, 08, 15:12 / #
Lir: No. You need to look at what he wrote. If you don't like something about someone else thats fair enough. everyone has a right to say what they like and don't like but comparing human beings dying of aids the same as a deer cull <with the inference that it's ok cos they are African> is not ok. And i am sure you can see the difference ? Hope so anyway. I was actually refering to white people, africa is a continant not a race :)

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Nov 29, 08, 15:13 / #
Lir: And i am sure you can see the difference ? Hope so anyway. i never saw what he was banned for. forgive my ignorance but what does BB mean?

Lir	Nov 29, 08, 15:14 / #
noimmigration: I was actually refering to white people, africa is a continant not a race :) It's pretty obvious what you implied by that paragraph. It would sound pretty lame as your defence in Court. Why don't you expand your energy and speech on normal debate rather than having to constantly try and defend yourself by backtracking ? Just apologise, and join in the forum, am sure you will enjoy it a lot better :)

Lir	Nov 29, 08, 15:20 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Then you should add some more posters on your to-be-censored-to-be-thrown-out-black-list. What are you on about ? I don't have a black list. I don't think in that way. I'll fight for equal rights and against racism forever if I have too and I see no reason to apologise for that. Why would I have a blacklist, you're being a bit childish I think. Bratwurst Boy: In a free society everybody should have the right to say what he wants and everybody should have the choice to ignore him! Yes, but there has to be a certain amount of decency and the law has to protect in certain situations. Everyone wasn't fortunate enought to be born white, receive a good education and upbringing and not have to endure discrimination. Every human being has the right to be considered an equal. :)

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Nov 29, 08, 15:25 / #
Lir: Everyone wasn't fortunate enought to be born white, receive a good education and upbringing and not have to endure discrimination. just because you are white it does not guarantee all three or any of the above

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 29, 08, 15:25 / #
He livens the forum up, as is evidenced by attracting 51 posts in 90 mins. The truth is that many react, not least Poles, to provocative comments.

Lir	Edited by: Lir Nov 29, 08, 15:32 / #
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noimmigration	Nov 29, 08, 15:34 / #
If you hate communism you should vote no on the poll. If you vote yes you have obviously never watched katyn. Go on and honour your ancestors, vote no and dont ban noimmigration.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,143 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Nov 29, 08, 15:37 / #
In a democratic society people should be free to say what they want , as long as it fits in with what i believe of course , anyone who disagrees with me should be free to be beaten with a stick....joking aside...yep ban him....

noimmigration	Nov 29, 08, 15:38 / #
Jesus forgave those that hammered nails into him, just as I forgive those that are trying to crucify me, by banning me from this forum. I just hope the mods know that catholisicm is based on forgiveness.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Nov 29, 08, 15:39 / #
wildrover: yep ban him.... why?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 29, 08, 15:43 / #
Bill Hicks did a good sketch on the above, noimmi. About Jesus not wanting to come back and see a bunch of crosses and the need for forgiveness. Many here don't even know what Catholicism is, noimmi. It's a way of being virtuous and self-righteous, a prevalent characteristic in quite a few here.