Which case for adjectives?

Quoting: sion

Examples: 1 On jest smutny/smutnym 2 nie chce byc smutny/smutnym 3 bycie smutny/smutnym jest zle.

Quoting: MADNAI

I'm sad (jestem smutny) but if you are in sad mood, it's men you are in smutnym nastroju
you (smutny) (smutnym ...)
she... (smutna) (smutnym ...)
it...(smutne) (smutnym ....)
we... (smutni) (smutnym ....)
you... (smutni) (smutnym ...)
they... (smutni) (smutnym ....)
[they... form for non men] (smutne) (smutnym ....)

sion	Jun 30, 07, 14:55 / #
When an adjective is used after the verb to be without a noun, should it be in the nominative case, mianownik, or in the instrumental case, narzednik? Examples: 1 On jest smutny/smutnym 2 nie chce byc smutny/smutnym 3 bycie smutny/smutnym jest zle. Sorry about the lack of Polish characters. Where do I find them?

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Edited by: Davey Jun 30, 07, 16:36 / #
I think you can say: ex. Jestes mily(Nom), Jestes milym chlopakiem(Inst.) If you are describing a noun, I think its narzednik and mianowik when just using an adj. anyways just to be safe use narzednik...

MADNAIThreads: - Posts: 8 Joined: Jun 13, 07	Edited by: MADNAI Jun 30, 07, 19:43 / #
I'm sad (jestem smutny) but if you are in sad mood, it's men you are in smutnym nastroju you (smutny) (smutnym ...) she... (smutna) (smutnym ...) it...(smutne) (smutnym ....) we... (smutni) (smutnym ....) you... (smutni) (smutnym ...) they... (smutni) (smutnym ....) [they... form for non men] (smutne) (smutnym ....)

ellaThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Mar 10, 07	Jun 30, 07, 22:24 / #
Quoting: sion Examples: 1 On jest smutny/smutnym 2 nie chce byc smutny/smutnym 3 bycie smutny/smutnym jest zle. 1. On jest smutny 2. Nie chce byc smutny 3. Bycie smutnym jest zle Quoting: MADNAI I'm sad (jestem smutny) but if you are in sad mood, it's men you are in smutnym nastroju you (smutny) (smutnym ...) she... (smutna) (smutnym ...) it...(smutne) (smutnym ....) we... (smutni) (smutnym ....) you... (smutni) (smutnym ...) they... (smutni) (smutnym ....) [they... form for non men] (smutne) (smutnym ....) ja (I) ................................... smutna (woman) smutny (man) ty (you))............................... smutna (woman) smutny (man) on (he)................................ smutny ona (she)............................ smutna ono (it) ............................... smutne my (we)..................smutni( group of men/or mixed sex group); smutne (group of women) wy ( You-plural form).......smutni (group of men/or mixed) ; smutne (group of women) oni (they-masculine form)............... smutni (group of men/or mixed sex group) one (they-feminine form)..... smutne (group of women)

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 2, 07, 12:48 / #
I have quite a good old fashioned book by B. W. Mazur. Under the title of byc and the nominative. After byc adjectives referring to the subject are in the nom. case. But when the adjective qualifies a noun both are put into the instrumental case. Compare J jestem stary-nom Maria jest wysoka-nom Jestem starym doktorem-inst Maria jest wysoka zdiewczyna-instrumental Grammar is practice and there is usually a logic as to why something is used in a certain way, especially in Polish. Why all this terminology of 'mianownik' and 'narzednik'? It is not worth complicating something pratical if you are unable to even use these simple grammar tools in practicle situations.

sion	Jul 2, 07, 13:03 / #
Thanks. What's the title of your old-fashioned book?

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 2, 07, 13:22 / #
It is the old original version of Colloquial Polish by W. B. Mazur, I have always kept the book from old, well, I say old, from the early 1980's though that is twenty years ago. I picked up a copy for £1.50 at a car boot not so long ago!

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 3, 07, 11:58 / #
Mind you to finish off answering the question, in dictionaries, you will normally see byc followed by the adjective in the instrumental case even without an added noun.

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Mar 2, 08, 09:39 / #
declination please: miękki singular masculine miękka singular feminine miękkie singular neuter miękcy plural m, n? ?????? plural f?

RJ_cdnThreads: - Posts: 323 Joined: Sep 10, 07	Edited by: RJ_cdn Mar 2, 08, 10:43 / #
Mufasa wrote: declination please: miękki singular masculine miękka singular feminine miękkie singular neuter miękcy plural m, n? ?????? plural f? m , f , n , plural m , plural f/n Nom miękki miękka miękkie miękcy miękkie Gen miękkiego miękkiej miękkiego miękkich miękkich Dat miękkiemu miękkiej miękkiemu miękkim miękkim Acc miękkiego miękką miękkie miękkich miękkie Inst miękkim miękką miękkim miękkimi miękkimi Loc miękkim miękkiej miękkim miękkich miękkich Voc miękki miękka miękkie miękcy miękkie ja miękki ty miękki on miękki ona miękka ono miękkie my miękcy wy miękcy oni miękcy one miękkie Please, wait for others to confirm that.

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Mar 2, 08, 11:13 / #
RJ_cdn wrote: Please, wait for others to confirm that. confirmed :) Michal wrote: Mind you to finish off answering the question, in dictionaries, you will normally see byc followed by the adjective in the instrumental case even without an added noun. this question is very old, but since it's still unanswered and I've just seen it: yes, the dictionary gives the instrumental form (masculine, singular) with the infinitive, because that's how you say it. To be sad - Być smutnym; To become famous - Stawać się sławnym etc.; however, when the auxiliary verb (być, stawać się and similar) is conjugated, you use nominative (feminine or masculine, singular or plural). Jest smutny. Stała się sławna po zagraniu u Spielberga.

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Mar 2, 08, 11:24 / #
RJ_cdn wrote: Nom miękki miękka miękkie miękcy miękkie dzięki :)