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łódź, łódka and statek - difference in meaning and instrumental form?

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MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Edited by: Mufasa Dec 29, 07, 06:36 / #
What is the difference between łódź = ?? also plural form? łódka = boat (little rowing?) statek = ship instrumental = łódź(i)em? instrumental = łódką instrumental = statkiem

FIOLThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Dec 29, 07	Edited by: FIOL Dec 29, 07, 06:47 / #
Here you are: łódź (boat) instrumental=łodzią plural łodzie instrumental plural=łodziami łódka (small boat) instrumental= łódką statek (ship) instrumental=statkiem and: okręt (warship) instrumental=okrętem.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Dec 29, 07, 06:48 / #
Mufasa wrote: łódź(i)em? Łodzią. New avatar Muf ?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Edited by: z_darius Dec 29, 07, 06:51 / #
Mufasa wrote: łódź = ?? instrumental = łódź(i)em? instrumental should be łódzią Mufasa wrote: What is the difference between łódż - a small vessel, usually one without a deck (although a submatine is łódż podwodna) statek - a large vessel okręt - large, seagoing vessel, or a warship

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 06:58 / #
FIOL wrote: łódź (boat) instrumental=łodzią plural łodzie instrumental plural=łodziami łódka (small boat) instrumental= łódką statek (ship) instrumental=statkiem and: okręt (warship) instrumental=okrętem. łódź: is it masculine, or feminine or neutre - if you look at the nominativ, it looks m, but if you look at the instrumental, it looks feminine? i'm confused? and - how big a boat would łódź be? boat can be pretty much anything? okręt - plural okręty? (btw - thanx for adding to my load ;) as if i don't have enough to work on :/ :P Grzegorz_ wrote: New avatar Muf ? yeah - had some fun with mufasa on Christmas Eve - you can go check on the floppy ears thread. you look too cute to resist!!! ;)

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Edited by: z_darius Dec 29, 07, 07:07 / #
Mufasa wrote: łódź: is it masculine feminine Mufasa wrote: how big a boat would łódź be? boat can be pretty much anything? size does not matter? :) Seriously, size is not what you think about here. It's more the construction of the vessel. You could have statek larger than łódź. So most of the time think this way: deck - statek no deck - łódź EDIT: Mufasa wrote: (btw - thanx for adding to my load ;) don't forget about tratwa - raft :)

FIOLThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Dec 29, 07	Dec 29, 07, 07:26 / #
Mufasa wrote: okręt - plural okręty? (btw - thanx for adding to my load ;) as if i don't have enough to work on :/ :P You're welcome. ;) okręt plural=okręty plural instrumental=okrętami. Ships and warships are my hobby ;)

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 07:27 / #
FIOL wrote: Ships and warships are my hobby ;) you must have a large backyard ;)

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 07:40 / #
z_darius wrote: statek larger than łódź but you wouldn't have a łódź larger than a statek - if you think about the deck thing, because how big a boat can you get without a deck? z_darius wrote: don't forget about tratwa - raft :) instrumental - tratwą? FIOL wrote: Ships and warships are my hobby ;) z_darius wrote: you must have a large backyard ;) :P so nice to play boat-boat with you boys today - any other ones i should know about - since we have a whole thread for this topic? ;)

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 07:43 / #
Mufasa wrote: if you think about the deck thing, because how big a boat can you get without a deck? You may have a point here. Shipbuilding has always been my weaker side ;) Mufasa wrote: instrumental - tratwą? You're getting that feel for the language! Great!

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Edited by: Mufasa Dec 29, 07, 07:54 / #
come to think of it - the question now turns to the difference between łódź and łódka? z_darius wrote: Shipbuilding has always been my weaker side ;) as if it's been my stronger side :D lol z_darius wrote: You're getting that feel for the language! Great! why, thank you, Pan Darku (if I remember correctly?). next time when i have a rotten day, i'll know where to come fish for complements to make myself feel better ;P

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 08:04 / #
Mufasa wrote: Pan Darku (if I remember correctly?). This time I will not spoil the moment :)

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 08:08 / #
z_darius wrote: Pan Darku wasn't correct Panie Darku? at some @%#^$& point I have to remember this!!! Mufasa wrote: the question now turns to the difference between łódź and łódka? ??

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 09:14 / #
Mufasa wrote: ?? łódka is simply mała łódż it also means a longish cleavage in ladies' blouses and sresses.

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 09:19 / #
z_darius wrote: łódka is simply mała łódż thought so - dzięki Panie Darku z_darius wrote: longish cleavage in ladies' blouses and sresses. hubby says that sounds interesting - hehehe ;P

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 09:27 / #
Mufasa wrote: hubby says that sounds interesting - hehehe ;P Yeah, one might certainly feel like a little rowing sometimes ;)

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 09:51 / #
as long as you don't sink - he says - LOL

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 09:53 / #
your hubby also a native of SA? For some reason I thought he was Polish.

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Edited by: Mufasa Dec 29, 07, 09:59 / #
łódź podwodna instrumental = łodzią podwodną plural = łodzie podwodny? z_darius wrote: your hubby also a native of SA? yes :) z_darius wrote: For some reason I thought he was Polish. You're not the first one to think he is Polish. See, there is a thing amongst Polish people on this Forum that, if someone from another country comes to live in Poland, that the partner must necessarily be Polish. ;) Another Polish stereotype ;P

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 10:16 / #
I guess you're right about the stereotype. In your case it seems a more exotic idea to go to Poland than for, say, a European. couple. Kinda like people asking me what Africaans was when they saw the manual on my bookshelf. I never got around to learning it though. Also, I left Poland 20 years ago, so the stereotypes in the back of my mind might be even stronger than those of Poles living in Poland right now. You probably know about today's Poland more than I do. In short, it appears that the country I left no longer exists :)

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 10:21 / #
z_darius wrote: In short, it appears that the country I left no longer exists :) Aren't you curious to come and see? It's exciting - and scary - just like SA at the moment :) Mufasa wrote: łódź podwodna Mufasa wrote: plural = łodzie podwodny? ??

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 10:29 / #
Mufasa wrote: Aren't you curious to come and see? I am. My daughter went to Poland a couple years ago and she loved the country and the people. She wants to go and live there for a couple years, perhaps longer. I guess I'll have to check it all out too. Mufasa wrote: plural = łodzie podwodny? łodzie podwodne

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 11:13 / #
z_darius wrote: I guess I'll have to check it all out too. Yeah, and on your way back to Ontario you can pop round South Africa for an 'exotic' holiday in the South ;)

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 12:20 / #
łodzie ratunkowe - lifeboats? łodzie motorowe - motor boats? łodzie żaglowe - sailing boats?

RJ_cdnThreads: - Posts: 323 Joined: Sep 10, 07	Dec 29, 07, 12:23 / #
Mufasa wrote: łodzie ratunkowe - lifeboats? łodzie motorowe - motor boats? łodzie żaglowe - sailing boats? Yes

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Dec 29, 07, 12:25 / #
:D :D

MufasaThreads: 24 Posts: 445 Joined: Oct 21, 07	Edited by: Mufasa Dec 29, 07, 13:03 / #
Mufasa wrote: łodzie ratunkowe - lifeboats łodzie motorowe - motor boats łodzie żaglowe - sailing boats ale tratwy ratunkowy?

RJ_cdnThreads: - Posts: 323 Joined: Sep 10, 07	Dec 29, 07, 13:20 / #
Mufasa wrote: tratwy ratunkowy? tratwy ratunkowe

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Dec 29, 07, 13:36 / #
z_darius wrote: you must have a large backyard ;) This is the same old argument about the difference between duży and wielki all over again. A statek is wielki whereas a łódź would be duża!

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 29, 07, 13:49 / #
Michal wrote: This is the same old argument about the difference between duży and wielki all over again. A statek is wielki whereas a łódź would be duża! Michal, is it your usual drugs or an overdose of good ole' bigos this time?

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