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What Happened in the Danzig Corridor 1939? Poles Slaughtering Germans?



joepilsudski   Apr 7, 2008, 03:10pm /  #
I have always been confused about the historical reality of what happened in the Danzig corridor in 1939, which many claim was the direct provocation for the German attack on Poland...I picked out a 'revisionist' article about from the web, as a starting point for discussion...do we have some historians, professors or students who might wish to give a Polish version of the events?...the Polish leadership, under Beck and his two associates seem to have miscalculated events.

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Goonie   Apr 7, 2008, 03:20pm /  #
isn't that when Russian soldiers executed a ton of poles?

celinski   Apr 7, 2008, 03:24pm /  #
This site tell this part of history well. Carol
The act of war: AD 1939


During the night of August 31 a group of German soldiers, dressed as Poles, attack the German radio station in the border town of Gleiwitz. They have brought with them a German criminal, taken for the purpose from a concentration camp. They shoot him and leave his body as evidence of the night's dark deeds.

Berlin radio broadcasts to the world the news of this act of Polish aggression, together with details of the necessary German response. In the early hours of the morning of September 1 Hitler's tanks move into Poland. His planes take off towards Warsaw on the first bombing mission of a new European war.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID =ogj

joepilsudski   Apr 7, 2008, 03:31pm /  #
No, Celinski...I know about that...in 1939 many Germans were massacred in the Danzig corridor, some claim by Poles, some say 'bolsheviks'...this was the event that directly provoked the German invasion...did the Poles commit these acts for any or no particular reason?...and did this act have the support of the Polish government, or was it an act committed by bolsheviks?

plk123   Apr 7, 2008, 03:33pm /  #
joe, are you a szwab or something? that was the story spun by hitler. i am not so sure if it's true at all.

celinski Edited by: celinski    Apr 7, 2008, 03:36pm /  #
joepilsudski:
an act committed by bolsheviks?


That was nothing but a big fat lie.

I found a debating Forum on this subject, check it out.

http://www.debatingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1024&view=previous&sid=61 0bd6f87075ef36d7533436f74ed726

Lukasz Edited by: Lukasz    Apr 7, 2008, 04:04pm /  #
joepilsudski:
No, Celinski...I know about that...in 1939 many Germans were massacred in the Danzig corridor, some claim by Poles, some say 'bolsheviks'...this was the event that directly provoked the German invasion...did the Poles commit these acts for any or no particular reason?...and did this act have the support of the Polish government, or was it an act committed by bolsheviks?



bolsheviks in 1939 in western Poland ? Provokations ? ... Joe ... I think you have problems with history ... I don't know what is mainstream history in USA ... I feel it is much different than in Poland.

El Gato   Apr 7, 2008, 04:09pm /  #
Lukasz:
bolsheviks in 1939 in western Poland ... Joe ... I think you have problems with history ... I don't know what is mainstream history in USA ... I feel it is much different than in Poland.


Take it from me...the history books have HUGE differences and much different accounts of the same events in the USA vs Poland.

celinski   Apr 7, 2008, 04:09pm /  #
Lukasz:
I don't know what is mainstream history in USA


Lots of room for improvement in USA, more is passed through family history.

Bratwurst Boy Edited by: Bratwurst Boy    Apr 7, 2008, 04:56pm /  #
In Germany we call it "Bromberger Blutsonntag" and it happened!

Bromberger Blutsonntag

Bye

Dzhaklin   Apr 7, 2008, 04:57pm /  #
El Gato:

Take it from me...the history books have HUGE differences and much different accounts of the same events in the USA vs Poland.


This is very very true.

plk123 Edited by: plk123    Apr 7, 2008, 05:15pm /  #
Bratwurst Boy:
In Germany we call it "Bromberger Blutsonntag" and it happened!

nothing like retiliating against boy scouts and such.. oh the brave nazis. *rollleyes*


Dzhaklin:

This is very very true

part of this is that in PL real historical events have been surpressed ever sinc ethe commies.. thing sare just coming to light now. eventually the histories will be much closer.

Dzhaklin   Apr 7, 2008, 05:23pm /  #
plk123:

part of this is that in PL real historical events have been surpressed ever sinc ethe commies.. thing sare just coming to light now. eventually the histories will be much closer.



Yeah I know that and believe me I've seen textbooks from other countries that basically invented history themselves. Things have come a long way since the fall of communism

joepilsudski Edited by: joepilsudski    Apr 7, 2008, 05:42pm /  #
plk123:
joe, are you a szwab or something? that was the story spun by hitler. i am not so sure if it's true at all.


This is what I was referring to...what is the meaning of this?...is there truth here?

http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm

Dzhaklin   Apr 7, 2008, 06:17pm /  #
joepilsudski:
This is what I was referring to...what is the meaning of this?...is there truth here?


Well it's not exactly the most reputable reference I've ever seen.

Lukasz Edited by: Lukasz    Apr 7, 2008, 06:39pm /  #
joepilsudski:
joepilsudski 


Joe your ststements are so idiotic that I am not going to discusse it. Poles and Jews killing Germans ? Bolsheviks in western Poland (LOL) before WWII ?!? you are sick...

it is good that you edited this part of your post ...

Jozef Pilsudski   Apr 7, 2008, 07:27pm /  #
In fact, it was ethnic Poles massacred in various areas of Silesia throughout the interwar period, not ethnic Germans in Danzig. This sounds like old war propaganda used by the German government at the time to justify the Wehrmacht's invasion of Polish territory and the destruction of Warsaw.

plk123 Edited by: plk123    Apr 7, 2008, 07:45pm /  #
joepilsudski:
http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm

i can't fathom how this site could be construed as anything but crazy. do you believe any of it to be true?

did you read about the part that poland was actually threatening the nazis? if that ain't a sad joke, i dunno what is.

they say in there that bydgoszcz was given to PL after the ww1.. how about RETURNED?

Jozef Pilsudski:
In fact, it was ethnic Poles massacred in various areas of Silesia throughout the interwar period, not ethnic Germans in Danzig. This sounds like old war propaganda used by the German government at the time to justify the Wehrmacht's invasion of Polish territory and the destruction of Warsaw.

yes, the Polish Menace.

Dice Edited by: Dice    Apr 7, 2008, 08:46pm /  #
Bratwurst Boy:
In Germany we call it "Bromberger Blutsonntag" and it happened!

Bromberger Blutsonntag

Here it is in English: URL

It is hard to say how many Germans died exclusively during the Bloody Sunday. German author Peter Aurich gave a number of German civilian deaths in Bydgoszcz as 366 deaths.[8], another German historian, Hugo Rasmus, estimates the number of ethnic German deaths in Bydgoszcz as "at least 415".[1] Two Polish historians - Włodzimierz Jastrzębski and Czesław Madajczyk against the Polish soldiers in the city, estimate ethnic German deaths respectively 103 (Jastrzębski), and about 300 (150 on September 3, the rest in the days after) victims (Madajczyk).[9]

It looks like there was a massacre of the German minority in town of Bydgoszcz two days after the German invasion of Poland.

I've never heard about it, have you?

joepilsudski:
I have always been confused about the historical reality of what happened in the Danzig corridor in 1939, which many claim was the direct provocation for the German attack on Poland...


The massacre in Bydgoszcz accrued two days AFTER the start of the invasion.

plk123 Edited by: plk123    Apr 7, 2008, 09:07pm /  #
this bydgoszcz thing is new on me too but there was some weird events just around that time.. i think it was gdansk.. i'll search around and see if it comes to me.

Jozef Pilsudski   Apr 7, 2008, 09:51pm /  #
It looks like there was a massacre of the German minority in town of Bydgoszcz two days after the German invasion of Poland.

I've never heard about it, have you?


This sounds like an entirely justified massacre to me.

plk123   Apr 7, 2008, 09:59pm /  #
Operation_Himmler

Gliwice incident

sinistar   Apr 7, 2008, 11:51pm /  #
euhm, all I can say is that US ppl should come get some history lessons in europe to get the real story of annything in history doing to world wars etc.

Ozi Dan   Apr 8, 2008, 05:57am /  #
Thanks for the post plk. It appears the answers to Pilsudski's questions may lie in the sources contained in references 14 to 16 of plk's post on Operation Himmler.

Bratwurst Boy   Apr 8, 2008, 08:32am /  #
Jozef Pilsudski:

This sounds like an entirely justified massacre to me.


Yeah...well...so was the whole polish campaign! :)

Matyjasz   Apr 8, 2008, 09:21am /  #
Bratwurst Boy:

Jozef Pilsudski:

This sounds like an entirely justified massacre to me.


Yeah...well...so was the whole polish campaign! :)



Don't forget the shape of the Polish western border after the WWII. :):)

Bratwurst Boy   Apr 8, 2008, 09:29am /  #
Matyjasz:

Don't forget the shape of the Polish western border after the WWII. :):)


And still the Poles like to see themselves as victims after all they gained...can you believe it! :)

plk123   Apr 8, 2008, 09:38am /  #
Bratwurst Boy:
And still the Poles like to see themselves as victims after all they gained...can you believe it! :)

why are you being that way.. pommerania historically has always been polish not german. silesia has always been pretty well mixed. what do you mean by gains? we lost half of our eastern territories.

justified? i sure hope the turks in your own country show you justified. just throwing crap out here without any back up is so freaking nazi of you.

Matyjasz   Apr 8, 2008, 09:42am /  #
Bratwurst Boy:
And still the Poles like to see themselves as victims after all they gained...can you believe it! :)



That's because they should have gained much more. :)

Bratwurst Boy Edited by: Bratwurst Boy    Apr 8, 2008, 10:31am /  #
Matyjasz:
That's because they should have gained much more. :)


How much more? Some more of Lithuania? Some more of Ukraine? Some more of the Czech Republic? Why not some more of Germany?

Manno, you don't have enough people for all that as they leave Poland in droves to invade other countries for a better living instead to make something out of the land you have...

plk123:
just throwing crap out here without any back up is so freaking nazi of you.


Somehow I missed your righteous indignation at that:

Jozef Pilsudski:
This sounds like an entirely justified massacre to me.


So please spare me!

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