Holocaust Forgotten - Six Million Polish Citizens Were Killed

Quoting: ola123

recently there was a report saying that right now 40% of Germany nation think nazism had good sides (not just bad)... shocking....... they have nazis party in goverment.... shocking.....someone had to vote for nazi politics if they are in the goverment. They should remember the past and never start another war (just like they started two world wars). I dont think that current germany kids are learnt well their shameful history

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Edited by: Administrator Feb 14, 07, 16:16 / #
Half of These Holocaust Victims Were Non-Jews. On August 22, 1939, a few days before the official start of World War II, Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need". holocaustforgotten.com

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Feb 14, 07, 16:29 / #
Reflects well on the those who blindly carried out his orders.... ...pathetic really...and so terrible for all those who suffered and died....

ola123	Feb 14, 07, 16:58 / #
And to think that there are morons between polish ppl who admire hitler and have swastika on their arms, how stupid can human get?

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Feb 14, 07, 17:00 / #
They exude pure hate.. .the dregs of society.. ...the real enemies of everyone....

ola123	Edited by: ola123 Feb 14, 07, 17:02 / #
of themselves as well it seems, hitler hated polish, how polish can admire hitler then, they are embarrassement to Poland. I didnt hear about any nazis between Israeli ppl.

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Feb 14, 07, 17:11 / #
...I suppose it a reactionary statement... ...before 1989, no one could say anything out of line due to communism.. .now people express extremist views.. .purely because they can... ..and usually its at a very primitive basic level

Paul	Feb 14, 07, 17:20 / #
yes the polish had it very hard, the nazis thought that slavic people were born to be slaves, that they were not much better than jews.

josecitomadera	Edited by: josecitomadera Feb 14, 07, 18:17 / #
It would be nice for the racists on this board to read these words from Polish posters. I never understood that either. The extremist white nationalists espouse the same hate, death and destruction that the Nazis did. The only difference is that the NSDAP, the original nazis, tried to cover up their crimes. They weren't as stupid as the neo-nazis who have no qulams about making their hatred public and thus making their movement seen as idiocy by the mainstream. So between the jews and the non-jews 11 million were exterminated. Is this possible? It seems the numbers are too large.

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,106 Joined: Jan 22, 07	Feb 14, 07, 18:38 / #
Quoting: josecitomadera So between the jews and the non-jews 11 million were exterminated. Is this possible? It seems the numbers are too large. You would have to do the appropriate research but maybe the 6 million was split between all groups (jews, poles, gypsy's,disabled,etc). You have to add all the poles that were killed/sent to siberia by the russians as well and your talking big figures.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Feb 14, 07, 18:39 / #
Quoting: ola123 I didnt hear about any nazis between Israeli ppl. They are there too. Seriously.

Paul	Feb 14, 07, 19:06 / #
i am british i am not polish, i am wondering what your feelings are towards the germans now? do you still hate them or what

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,106 Joined: Jan 22, 07	Feb 14, 07, 20:51 / #
Quoting: Paul i am british i am not polish, i am wondering what your feelings are towards the germans now? do you still hate them or what my mum dislikes the russians and ukraines than germans, she got some real good stories from her mum. me being an australian with polish heritage doesnt care either way.

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Feb 15, 07, 04:45 / #
Quoting: Paul i am british i am not polish, i am wondering what your feelings are towards the germans now? do you still hate them or what I hate Germans very very much. I don't feel the same for Russians, even feel sentiment for Russia, but Germany - I hate them I was born with this attitude, In Poland I think that East part of Poland hate them more then West Part. On Silesia on many concerts, etc. Polish peoples are waving Germans flags (What a sick thing!) In Opole there is about 100 000 Poles with German heritage, but I still can't imagine how Poles, especially from West can feel good for them, I hate them all my heart!

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,118 Joined: Feb 5, 07	Feb 15, 07, 05:15 / #
babylon - the russian too raped Poland. Why hate one and then not the other - its a double standard you have You hate one person for the sins of there fathers and not the others (who were a more recent scourge) ..its an interesting question i think

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Feb 14, 07, 18:40 / #
Quoting: josecitomadera So between the jews and the non-jews 11 million were exterminated. Is this possible? It seems the numbers are too large. What do you mean ?

josecitomadera	Feb 14, 07, 18:42 / #
Quoting: King Sobieski You would have to do the appropriate research Eleven million precious lives were lost during the Holocaust of World War II. Six million of these were Polish citizens. Half of these Polish citizens were non-Jews. That is what the site states textually. Unbelievable!

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Feb 14, 07, 18:50 / #
Quoting: josecitomadera Unbelievable! Why ? The whole numbers of victims of WW2 is something like 60 million. How many and which should be caunted as victimes of so called Holocaust is not that important.

LoneStrangerThreads: 3 Posts: 531 Joined: Jan 30, 07	Feb 15, 07, 06:46 / #
Quoting: Paul i am wondering what your feelings are towards the germans now Germans supported Hitler. Supported him very strongly. Please refer to: writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/love-letters-hitler.html Now they refuse sometimes (due to obvious reasons). Russians were criminals, but Hitler was more. Many families like my own have stories (about my Grandfather's brother...). History must be remembered. Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. I dont appreciate the Germans. But I dont hate them either. Neither love them nor hate them. I hope in future the Germans learn to be more humble...and have some humility. Today's Germans are still very proud. They need to remember the past, and need to behave better. They need to kill the pride and ego in themselves. Not with the Europeans only... they must go further, and show examplarary behviour with blacks, asians and latins... which is neccessary to gain that respectable place in people's hearts.

poland2006Threads: 3 Posts: 98 Joined: Nov 29, 06	Feb 15, 07, 06:47 / #
No to be mean or anything.. but y are we talking about Holocaust?

LoneStrangerThreads: 3 Posts: 531 Joined: Jan 30, 07	Feb 15, 07, 08:27 / #
Quoting: poland2006 y are we talking about Holocaust? just someone posted it... remembering those you died...

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Feb 15, 07, 08:53 / #
Quoting: LoneStranger hope in future the Germans learn to be more humble... I can understand this, but we also have to remember that there was a number of germans who also died helping many to escape, who didnt go along with hitlers plans, and many who didnt say anything because of the fear of being shot. my Grandmother in law and her whole family hated him, but to go against him was dangerous, so we cant place everyone in a catagory of dislike, I really love my grandmother in law, she knows I am full polish, we share same interests and thoughts she loves me as I do her . I believe a great deal was manipulated and there was no easy direction for them to take. he ruled (hitler) with more then Iron fist. she also mentioned that much of what was going on was hidden from the people so when they found out, they also had fear, because many germans were not all german (mixed blood) with Polish and other nationalities. I had mentioned in another forum about my feelings which I was surprised at my own actions about this one lady who was german and I was taking care of her I became angry with her, she told me she was german (could tell by accent she was from another country) she started talking about hitler, how wonderful he was, it was even more upsetting that she spoke of trinkets she had lost that were so precious to her, this was what made me furious, but I kept reserve, I just asked to not be in her room anymore, and that was fine with other staff, and the really bad part was this is not my nature, but it was something I couldnt help. I was not involved in any of it, some of my family (ones that I know) were, but it did anger me non the less, and I do try to see the "other side" but I even question my own anger sometimes. so I think its because I felt she was more blinded by his Promises. and I should have taken this into consideration when it happened, but at the time, I was more upset and not thinking rationally.

BabylonThreads: 28 Posts: 335 Joined: Oct 9, 06	Feb 15, 07, 09:12 / #
Just watch the movies, every German salute to Hitler, They loved him, He was choose to be in politic, everyone who has a brain know what he was planning, of course some Germans had brains - but not that much. Even after the WWII many Germans thought that extermination of other nations was right (I don't have this artice at the moment). Even Pope did not tell in Oświęcim that Germans were guilt but they were deceived (What is not right to me). In Poland this politic Roman Giertych has minimal backing from peoples (And of course he is only right-wing radical but not Nazi or antisemitic), but Hitler has huge backing. Germans are proud and still think they are better then others - that's why I dislike them (I prefer Russians, Ukrainians, Dutch and other nations).

LoneStrangerThreads: 3 Posts: 531 Joined: Jan 30, 07	Feb 15, 07, 09:22 / #
Quoting: Patrycja19 I felt she was more blinded by his Promises His promises were selfish I think. It was for Germans, not for the whole world. His promises did not spread love, instead, it spread greed. About helplesness, you are right for the mixed blood. And some Germans did help - but the masses were in favour of Hitler. We know it - it is just so obvious. Those who helped him to rise, and those who supported him were many. Still he is supported by many, sadly also in Poland. He is somehow the symbol of racism and extreme nationalism. Germany became an example on how these ideas can never prosper, and bring about grave consequences. Germans indeed have a very important task. There need to be a higher effort from Germany towards global tolerance and Global peace. They should give some kind of wonderful example to the rest of Europe. They need to do it to move away from their dark past. Yes, we should not hate them. But, for some people, it is difficult to associate with them in a more warm manner (although not cold manner). It is their duty still... they have work to do.

ola123	Feb 15, 07, 09:29 / #
No way, theres no hate in me towars Germany but..... I have my reservations.... recently there was a report saying that right now 40% of Germany nation think nazism had good sides (not just bad)... shocking....... they have nazis party in goverment.... shocking.....someone had to vote for nazi politics if they are in the goverment. They should remember the past and never start another war (just like they started two world wars). I dont think that current germany kids are learnt well their shameful history. They should remember what they did in order to never try to make it again. I dint hate them or love them, I have respect for every human, I respect Germany.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Feb 15, 07, 09:40 / #
Quoting: LoneStranger It is their duty still... they have work to do. I agree, theres really never going to be forgiveness in the eyes of those who still are alive and remember its horrors. I dont blame them, or question them, they experienced it. I cant say I am at peace with myself, because there is one thing in this world I do hate, and that is Nazi's (anything that is supremists). so I have very mixed feelings, which is surprising, as i dont have direct involvment, like so many who had suffered. I do respect those who have taken action to make it better. those who havent or feel still that they are better, and are actively like that, I have no pity for even. there is a final judge when we all come to our time. I think I will stick with helping others, so i can make sure i have a ticket reserved for myself

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Feb 15, 07, 09:43 / #
Quoting: LoneStranger Still he is supported by many, sadly also in Poland.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Feb 15, 07, 09:52 / #
Quoting: ola123 I have my reservations Ola, I think this is a good way to be. civilized. Quoting: ola123 recently there was a report saying that right now 40% of Germany nation think nazism had good sides (not just bad)... shocking....... they have nazis party in goverment.... shocking.....someone had to vote for nazi politics if they are in the goverment. They should remember the past and never start another war (just like they started two world wars). I dont think that current germany kids are learnt well their shameful history I dont think they teach them about it either. and I cant believe the percentage of germans who think nazism had good side! that is horrible.

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,106 Joined: Jan 22, 07	Feb 15, 07, 20:45 / #
Quoting: LoneStranger Russians were criminals, but Hitler was more. Many families like my own have stories (about my Grandfather's brother...). History must be remembered. Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. I dont appreciate the Germans. But I dont hate them either. Neither love them nor hate them. At least the Germans were honest with their intentions to a point. They came to inavde and invade they did. The Russians on the other hand came to "LIBERATE". That liberation involved killing all the intelligent elite and enforcing Communism upon Poland.

prawdziwafem	Feb 15, 07, 21:32 / #
Both were bad for Poland, but Russian soldiers raped women so that made them worse for Poles, and it was the Russians that gave us Communism and not the Germans. Poland got invaded because we had a significantly large Jewish population at the time compared to other states. I am not saying what Germans did was good, but Poles did suffer because of Russians and Russians brainwashing the Ukrainians, so that Ukranians and Poles would kill each other on the Eastern front. Also if Russians did not interfere we would be much more better off economically and socially like northern europe is. I am not a fan of either!!! But another reality is do Germans and Russians like poles, I don't think they do. I think Germans dislike us more because lot's of polish people abused Western Germany's welfare system during the communist era and robbed german stores for goods. Samething happenend in Austria, Norway and consequentley these few poles created a bad image and portrayal that Polish people are poor, alcoholics, corrupted and out to get you. Let's face it Polish people need to do their own reality check about how they behavie these days when they are in other countries

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Feb 15, 07, 23:22 / #
Holocaust Deaths Country/Region Low Estimate High Estimate Germany (1938 Borders) 125,000 130,000 Austria 58,0000 65,000 Belgium & Luxembourg 24,700 29,000 Bulgaria 0 7,000 Czechoslovakia 245,000 277,000 France 64,000 83,000 Greece 58,000 65,000 Hungary & Ukraine 300,000 402,000 Italy 7,500 8,000 Netherlands 101,800 106,000 Norway 677 760 Poland & USSR 3,700,000 4,565,000 Romania 40,000 220,000 Yugoslavia 54,000 60,000 TOTAL 4,778,677 6,017,760 Source: Nizkor Project statistics derived from Yad Vashem and Fleming, Hitler and the Final Solution. Auschwitz-Birkenau became the killing centre where the largest numbers of European Jews were killed. After an experimental gassing there in September 1941 of 250 malnourished and ill Polish prisoners and 600 Russian POWs, mass murder became a daily routine; more than 1.25 million were killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau, 9 out of 10 were Jews. In addition, Gypsies,SovietPOWs, and ill prisoners of all nationalities died in the gas chambers. Between May 14 and July 8,1944, 437,402 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz in 48 trains. This was probably the largest single mass deportation during the Holocaust.