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How it was with Poland, Napoleaon and independence?



julita123Threads: 1
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I know that it may sound ignorant, but I just wonder why in French history books it is said that Poland regained independence thanks to Napoleon and it is one of the reasons why we have his name in our national anathem.? Do they mean Warsaw Principality? Radiculous...
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You know how it is with countries embelishing their historical achievements. I even read once the Columbus was Polish. How radicularse is that!
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VaFunkoolo:
Columbus was Polish. How radicularse is that!


real name Krzysztof Kolumbiszewski
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Kopernik- German, Chopin- French, Curie- Sk³odowska- French:), Mickiewicz- Lithuanian, even Podolski- German:), not many left for us then?????
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So the US was 'discovered' by a Polish explorer. fascinating. I hear Capernicus was from Bhutan. I read it in the Daily Mail.

It's the first time I've heard that the French think they gave Poland independence. Is it widely claimed or just in a few old school books? Old history books are great though. I seem to recall being taught that we lost to the Americans once. Raddishulous.
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julita123:
not many left for us then?????


youve got the Kaczynski twins

szarlotka:
It's the first time I've heard that the French think they gave Poland independence.


Are you sure it's not a case of the Polish thinking the French think they gave the Polish independence?
polishgirltx Edited by: polishgirltx   Jul 23, 08, 09:17 /  #
VaFunkoolo:
Kaczynski twins

from Madagascar .... but it will be revealed in 100 years or so....
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VaFunkoolo:
Are you sure it's not a case of the Polish thinking the French think they gave the Polish independence?


I'm not sure of anything today. You could be right though. It could be a double bluff.
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julita123:
Kopernik- German, Chopin- French, Curie- Sk³odowska- French:), Mickiewicz- Lithuanian, even Podolski- German:), not many left for us then?????


the rest is jewish. it's high time to say that: poles never existed. we are just a bunch of funny guys from all around the world who loves to fool around
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szarlotka:
It could be a double bluff.


A double puff? Thats a bit greedy, there was only a little bit left
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from Madagascar .... - Melmak rather
VaFunkoolo:
Are you sure it's not a case of the Polish thinking the French think they gave the Polish independence?
- unfortuately this is what I heard from a French person being surprised that I am so poor at History and do not carry flowers under Napoleons statue as he is the one, who we should be grateful to for being on the map of Europe (as in France every child knows that ???). That is why I ask.. Whose books tell the truth? Or I skipped a chapter? (history lessons were boring, anyway)
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Ah ha. It came from the mouth of a French Person. It's a lie then.
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Funny bunch the French. Rather stingy on the food portions. Best ignored. But if you want the truth there is probably a Hollywood film that will set things straight
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VaFunkoolo:
if you want the truth there is probably a Hollywood film that will set things straight

Thanx:) for the advice:) but I do not have to watch Hollywood movie to know its messege- world will be saved (and Poland too) thanks to American President:) Was there any at Napoleon times BTW:)?- whatever, in film everything is possible..

szarlotka:
It came from the mouth of a French Person. It's a lie then.
what makes You think so?
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Among many claims for giving us independence the French one is a least part true.
Starting his East-expansion Napoleon needed independent Poland as a bridge head for the campaign so it was a perfect win-win situation.
About 10% of the Great Army were Poles familiar with conditions on the Russians war theatre, keen on revenge and truly motivated.

If you ask me ... yes .. Napoleon has done quite a lot for us.
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VaFunkoolo:
I even read once the Columbus was Polish. How radicularse is that!


That's some hardcore stuff but there was so called Jan z Kolna, who led some Danish or Norwegian expedition, which according to some sources reached Boston area some 20 or 30 years befor Columbus made It through the ocean. Chris didn't really "discover" America (even for Europeans) there definately were many before, dude becam famous because he "popularized" the whole thing.
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Grzegorz_:
Jan z Kolna


Thanks for that info G.

The wiki entry makes an interesting read
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julita123:
what makes You think so?


Maybe I've just been unlucky, consistently unlucky
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