Jews-Officers in the Polish Armed Forces 1939-1945

eric_the_nave:

I remember seeing a bit of the movie "Uprising" where it claims incorrectly and irrelevantly (comparing apples and oranges) that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising lasted longer than the German seige of Poland. I wondered if the producers were aware that by claiming the Polish army's performance was worse than it was that they were also slamming the efforts of over 100,000 Jews at all levels of the military.There does not actually seem to be much interest in Jews who fought alongside Poles, though apparently there were more Jews involved in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 than the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jun 28, 08, 08:49 / #
According to the book’s author, nearly 200,000 Polish Jews fought against Nazi Germany in the ranks of the Polish Armies on Polish soil and in exile. Originally published by the Association of Jewish War Veterans of Polish Armies in Israel. www.avotaynu.com/books/PolishOfficers.htm What do you think about that ? It isn't well known fact. Jews were killed in Katyn too.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Jun 28, 08, 09:02 / #
ski: What do you think about that ? I think this thread is going straight to page 10.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: Administrator Jun 28, 08, 10:32 / #
Check our foreign affairs ministers after 1989. Bronislaw Geremek Adam Rotfeld Stefan Meller All with Polish Jews origin, like me. They are Polish. All doing good job. You should be happy that so many Jews want to be Poles.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jun 28, 08, 10:58 / #
ski: All doing good job. Especially Gieremek...

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,371 Joined: May 30, 08	Jun 28, 08, 11:04 / #
ski: What do you think about that ? It isn't well known fact. Jews were killed in Katyn too. Yes, I read that about 10% of the Polish officer corps executed in Katyn were Jews. Do you know if there is a monument or at least seperate gravesites to mark the Polish Jews participation in WW2 (apart from Ghetto Rising monument in Warsaw) ? I know about some Jewish soldiers` sites in Poland but..... this one is from WW1 and this one is in the military cemetery of the British Commonwealth in Krakow.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jun 28, 08, 12:10 / #
PRO MEMORIA Military Cem. Mount Herzl Jerusalem

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Jun 28, 08, 12:17 / #
ski: All doing good job. I don't think so. ski: You should be happy that so many Jews want to be Poles. I don't spend much o time thinking about how some people consider themselves.

eric_the_naveThreads: - Posts: 47 Joined: Jul 27, 07	Jun 28, 08, 13:31 / #
I remember seeing a bit of the movie "Uprising" where it claims incorrectly and irrelevantly (comparing apples and oranges) that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising lasted longer than the German seige of Poland. I wondered if the producers were aware that by claiming the Polish army's performance was worse than it was that they were also slamming the efforts of over 100,000 Jews at all levels of the military. There does not actually seem to be much interest in Jews who fought alongside Poles, though apparently there were more Jews involved in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 than the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Jun 28, 08, 17:18 / #
ski: What do you think about that ? It isn't well known fact. Jews were killed in Katyn too. A good post... I learned something...there were many patriotic Jewish Poles.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jun 28, 08, 17:47 / #
lesser: I don't spend much o time thinking about how some people consider themselves. Mine ancestors have moved here 600 years ago, I'm Polish as hell. lesser: I don't think so. What is your opinion about Rotfeld negotiations with Russia? eric_the_nave: I remember seeing a bit of the movie "Uprising" where it claims incorrectly and irrelevantly (comparing apples and oranges) that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising lasted longer than the German seige of Poland. I wondered if the producers were aware that by claiming the Polish army's performance was worse than it was that they were also slamming the efforts of over 100,000 Jews at all levels of the military.There does not actually seem to be much interest in Jews who fought alongside Poles, though apparently there were more Jews involved in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 than the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943. There is huge progress and changes in showing the same events from different perspectives. Hopefuly we are closer and closer to each other.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jun 29, 08, 07:48 / #
lesser: So what? It seems to me that you demand some special recognition. Somehow the rest of Poles should be happy and grateful that you consider yourself Polish. I don't need special recognition. lesser: You write about the times when Kwasniewski needed to wait half an hour in front of Putin cabinet till Russian president mercifully let him in? "Our" politicians did nothing to improve Polish-Russian relations. That's why we need US shield. wings :P Why you are talking about Kwasniewski ? By the way he isn't Jew. Personaly I am fan of people like Wildstein. I have been talking about new Rotfeld negotiations with Russia. Museum, hostpital maybe small compensations for Katyn vicitimes. Everything for Poland everything on Russians cost.

PuzzyThreads: 1 Posts: 180 Joined: May 1, 08	Jun 29, 08, 07:49 / #
How about the number of Jews in the Stalinist 'security' apparatus responsible for the torture and murder of countless Poles?

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Jun 29, 08, 08:08 / #
ski: How about Dzierzynski - Sword of revolution. Native Polish nobleman. But Is He? The organized Polish Communist movement was founded on December 16, 1918, when the PPS Lewica (the left faction of the Polish Socialist party) merged with the SDKPiL (Social Democracy of the Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania) to form the KPRP (Communist Workers' Party of Poland) The general ideological outlook of the thus created Polish Communist party was to a large degree influenced by the ideological positions inherited with the theoreticians and leaders of the SDKPiL. The leading figures here were Rosa Luxemburg, Leon Jogiches (Tyszko), Adolf Warszawski (Warski), Karol Sobelson (Radek), Jozef Unschlicht (Jurowski), Marcin Kasprzak, Julian Leszczynski (Lenski), Jakob Firstenberg (Hanecki), Julian Marchlewski (Karski), and Feliks Dzierzynski Of these ten leaders, seven were Jewish, nine belonged to the intelligentsia, and only one, Kasprzak, was an "authentic" worker. Do You Know Who is Who?

PuzzyThreads: 1 Posts: 180 Joined: May 1, 08	Edited by: Puzzy Jun 29, 08, 08:21 / #
ski: How about Dzierzynski - Sword of revolution. Native Polish nobleman. - Why when I mention Jews-Stalinists you are asking about Dzierzynski? In order to distract from the uncomfortable for you topic? Dzierzynski was a Russianised Polonophobe, a traitor of Poland. I've never found any evidence of him joining the Bolsheviks for Poland and Poles. So Dzerzynski is just ONE prominent 'Pole' among the genocidal commies. And now how about the numerous Jews in the Stalinist 'security' apparatus?

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Jun 29, 08, 07:32 / #
ski: Mine ancestors have moved here 600 years ago, I'm Polish as hell. So what? It seems to me that you demand some special recognition. Somehow the rest of Poles should be happy and grateful that you consider yourself Polish. ski: What is your opinion about Rotfeld negotiations with Russia? You write about the times when Kwasniewski needed to wait half an hour in front of Putin cabinet till Russian president mercifully let him in? "Our" politicians did nothing to improve Polish-Russian relations.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jun 29, 08, 07:50 / #
Puzzy: How about the number of Jews in the Stalinist 'security' apparatus responsible for the torture and murder of countless Poles? How about Dzierzynski - Sword of revolution. Native Polish nobleman.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Jun 29, 08, 08:29 / #
Puzzy: How about the number of Jews in the Stalinist 'security' apparatus responsible for the torture and murder of countless Poles? Ski mentions Polish Jews fighting for Poland in WWII and you spring out with Jews responsible for torture of countless Poles? Whats that all about?

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Jun 29, 08, 08:36 / #
ski: Why you are talking about Kwasniewski ? By the way he isn't Jew. I care less how he consider himself. Rotfeld was foreign minister in the same time when Kwasniewski was a president. They both were responsible also for Polish "eastern" policy. Matyjasz: Ski mentions Polish Jews fighting for Poland in WWII and you spring out with Jews responsible for torture of countless Poles? Whats that all about? It reminds me reaction of some American Jews when they read about Poles who saved Jews.

eric_the_naveThreads: - Posts: 47 Joined: Jul 27, 07	Jun 29, 08, 09:34 / #
How about starting a new thread on Jews in Communist secret police or whatever and leaving this one to discuss Jews who fought alongside the Poles. I'm guessing there are a lot more Jews in the later category. It is interesting that both anti-semites and Polonophobes don't like talking about Jews fighting alongside Poles. The former because it means that Jews fought and died to protect Poland, the latter because it means that Poles weren't anti-semitic enough to stop Jews joining the army and progressing to the rank of officer.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,218 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Jun 29, 08, 11:49 / #
lesser: lesser Puzzy: Puzzy grow up and take your pathetic bigotry someplace else.... Thread title; Jews-Officers in the Polish Armed Forces 1939-1945 see that,1939-1945.....not some old commies who came later,alongside plenty of non jewish commies in case your forgeting. Once again I get the suspision pizzy is actually a former party flunky desperatly trying to prove something.....

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Jun 29, 08, 13:41 / #
isthatu2: isthatu2 Your post show only your lack of knowledge of Polish politics. You don't even realize that person who started this thread went off-topic itself and thus my later comment was justified. Also I'm curious how long it take you to finally understand that I'm not a nationalist...

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,218 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Jun 29, 08, 13:46 / #
lesser: Your post show only your lack of knowledge of Polish politics. WTF? Its got fcuk all to do with politics,its got everything to do with the usual boring fcukers with an axe to grind slagging off every Jew just because a few of them were commies,fcuking pathetic. Like someone else said,if you want to slag off jewish commies post or pre war,start another thread,leave this one to discusing wartime situations. lesser: Also I'm curious how long it take you to finally understand that I'm not a nationalist... no,your neither nationalist or humanist,you are a you ist as far as most people can tell,as long as everything runs for your benafit and to your ideas the world is fine n dandy.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Jun 29, 08, 14:39 / #
Look, it appears that ski and myself already explained to ourself our points. This is just you the one who is writing rubbish in some British street slang and misinterpreting my posting. Get over it.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Jun 29, 08, 16:44 / #
Jewish Poles could mention many events with anti-semite background. Maybe we should concentrate on positive sides of our multicultural state. Brygady Bartoszowe ? Jewish units supporting Polish independence. Jewish voluntary soldliers in all Polish up-rises. 1794 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berek_Joselewicz Berek Joselewicz (1764-1809) was a Jewish-Polish merchant and a colonel of the Polish Army during the Kościuszko Uprising. Joselewicz commanded the first Jewish military formation in modern history 1830 Warsaw Jewish Guards in Polish up-rise. 1863 The closest relationship in history. Majority of Polish society supports being equal. Several mixed marriages. Masive Jewish support for this up-rise. Jewish community organise international help form Jewish diaspora - weapons. http://www.jstor.org/pss/3622458 1920 Jewish volutary Units in Polish-Bolshevik war. 1939- read main topic here 1989 Tadeusz Mazowiecki - first PM in free Poland ( of Jewish decent)

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,371 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Jun 29, 08, 18:13 / #
Mazowiecki was Jewish? I thought it was right wing propaganda...

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,218 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Jun 30, 08, 13:53 / #
lesser: British street slang Its called English,the language YOU have to speak for anyone to understand........ lesser: misinterpreting my posting For shame that I should be under the immpresion you are a bigot and sort of obsesed with digging up any teeny bit of dirt on anyone or anything Jewish,how on earth could I have been so mistaken about your good and balanced self?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 30, 08, 13:57 / #
Does it matter if he is Jewish?

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Jun 30, 08, 14:22 / #
pawian: Mazowiecki was Jewish? I thought it was right wing propaganda... Mazowiecki ? Poznanski ? Gdański ? Warszawski ? He is fully assimialted Polish Jew unfortunately he isn't practising Jew who goes to snagogue.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,371 Joined: May 30, 08	Jun 30, 08, 14:32 / #
ski: Mazowiecki ? Poznanski ? Gdański ? Warszawski ? He is fully assimialted Polish Jew unfortunately he isn't practising Jew who goes to snagogue. Strange, because Mazowiecki has always been a confirmed Catholic, since 1950s.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Edited by: ski Jun 30, 08, 14:36 / #
pawian: Strange, because Mazowiecki has always been a confirmed Catholic, since 1950s. It depends if you are talking about faith or ethinic group...