Polish-German history book for Schools

lesser wrote:

Because those people would not waste their time and money for a politically correct version of history with carefully and selectively chosen topics. They prefer to read two books, one from German and second from Polish perspective.

Thus this book will be destined for schools, both Ministries of Propaganda (sorry, Education!) will proclaim it to be obligatory. This is how the bureaucrats doing business. Everything everywhere must be the same and obligatory.

MisteThreads: 1 Posts: 10 Joined: Feb 5, 08	Edited by: Miste Feb 12, 08, 20:11 / #
Poland and Gemany write one history book for schools. Poles and Germans want to do the same as French and Germans did. What means one history book written by Polish and German authors showing both points of views, and all aspects of this hard neighbourhood. IMO it is good move if we want to build future of EU.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Feb 12, 08, 20:17 / #
Miste wrote: IMO it is good move if we want to build future of EU. I agree.. but I dont think that will become a reality.

MisteThreads: 1 Posts: 10 Joined: Feb 5, 08	Edited by: Miste Feb 12, 08, 20:20 / #
Patrycja19 wrote: I agree.. but I dont think that will become a reality. It will. Polish - German relations are changing quickly.

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Feb 13, 08, 20:12 / #
Miste wrote: Poland and Gemany write one history book for schools. Poles and Germans want to do the same as French and Germans did. That is a great idea. And Europe needs it desperately, judging by what I read on these forums. Maybe people in the former Yugoslavia should take the same approach as well, before they start a new war, this time over severity of Kosovo. It's about time we start learning that there are people just like us on the other side of that "century old conflict". Today's World is full of "century old conflicts" and it's time for us to change them to "former conflicts from centuries before". There are people on all sides of borders, and they are only of one race: the Human Race.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Feb 14, 08, 03:01 / #
Miste wrote: What means one history book written by Polish and German authors showing both points of views, and all aspects of this hard neighbourhood. Yeah, of course. So why nobody write such books destined for a private readers if this is so great idea? Because those people would not waste their time and money for a politically correct version of history with carefully and selectively chosen topics. They prefer to read two books, one from German and second from Polish perspective. Thus this book will be destined for schools, both Ministries of Propaganda (sorry, Education!) will proclaim it to be obligatory. This is how the bureaucrats doing business. Everything everywhere must be the same and obligatory.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Feb 14, 08, 11:14 / #
Excellent idea. Hopefully all of europe will have one history textbook sometime in the future . Maybe this will end some problems.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Feb 14, 08, 16:39 / #
:) it is not going to happen. maybe It will be written and shown in TV but it will never be part of education in Poland and Germany. nonsens!

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Feb 14, 08, 16:42 / #
polishcanuck wrote: Excellent idea. Hopefully all of europe will have one history textbook sometime in the future . Maybe this will end some problems. Not back problems...that's going to be a huge f*ckin book! It will wreak havoc upon the fragile backs of children! :]

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Feb 15, 08, 04:04 / #
Lukasz wrote: it will never be part of education in Poland and Germany. nonsens! I would not be so sure in your place. Even if it wont be obligatory for children, still this might be obligatory program for teachers as far as Polish-German relations are concentrated. Otherwise why would be the government involved in such project?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Feb 15, 08, 04:08 / #
after this http://www.rp.pl/artykul/93104.html everything is possible

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Feb 16, 08, 07:21 / #
Lukasz wrote: nothing has been decided. Hopefully you are right. Some time ago Giertych banned (?) some project of pan-European history book pushed by the Council of Europe.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 09:12 / #
BBC report tells what is really believed by Russian youth. "But minutes later the same students were telling me quite openly how they consider America their enemy and that America and its Nato allies are intent on undermining Russia. Later in the day, I went to meet a group of teenagers from a Kremlin-sponsored youth movement called Nashi (Ours)." "The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7241042.stm

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Feb 16, 08, 14:06 / #
El Gato wrote: Not back problems...that's going to be a huge f*ckin book! It will wreak havoc upon the fragile backs of children! Laptops:) celinski wrote: "The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose." All the more reason to standardize history books. History is very dangerous because it is too often manipulated or misinterpreted. Unfortunately we will probably need a few more devastating wars to get to that point. Like in one of those space shows on tv (star trek? star wars? any trekkies out there?), all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 14:16 / #
polishcanuck wrote: all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences. Lets see Russia has threatened Poland, Ukraine and USA. USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Feb 15, 08, 04:34 / #
I have no doubt about PO's lack of willingness to change anything crucial in good direction. Everything I can read about their plans are pathetic ideas like above...

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Feb 15, 08, 15:36 / #
lesser wrote: Because those people would not waste their time and money for a politically correct version of history with carefully and selectively chosen topics. They prefer to read two books, one from German and second from Polish perspective. Thus this book will be destined for schools, both Ministries of Propaganda (sorry, Education!) will proclaim it to be obligatory. This is how the bureaucrats doing business. Everything everywhere must be the same and obligatory. OMG, I agree with you on this.....must have bumped my head or something..... Why not,and here's a crazy idea,have a book written by a History expert and leave it at that,why "nationalise " history,just seems silly. I vote getting a Canadian in for the job,they seem level headed folks.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Feb 15, 08, 18:05 / #
I have checked details, nothing has been decided. Some people have plan to write this book and German kids in eastern lands of Germany and Polish form western part of Poland, eventualy are going to have this book (Polish and German authors) as additional help in learning history.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Feb 16, 08, 18:07 / #
celinski wrote: "The Americans always claim they won the war," she said. "That's rubbish. We won the war. They only joined in when it was already clear the Germans were going to lose." which seems a pretty reasonable assesment by them.... celinski wrote: But minutes later the same students were telling me quite openly how they consider America their enemy and that America and its Nato allies are intent on undermining Russia this seems to be the attitude in the US regarding russia... celinski wrote: USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan. no,just coz your airforce has a habit of dropping bombs on its allies doesnt mean were actualy at war with each other....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Feb 16, 08, 18:10 / #
I think she meant foes isthatu, hehehe. A wee bittie o a difference for sure.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 22:05 / #
isthatu wrote: no,just coz your airforce has a habit of dropping bombs on its allies doesnt mean were actualy at war with each other.... LMAO I mean USA and allies are in Iraq and Afganistan. I'm sleepy, see ya guys.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Feb 17, 08, 17:36 / #
celinski wrote: Lets see Russia has threatened Poland, Ukraine and USA. USA is at war with allies in Iraq and Afganistan. Not sure what you mean, maybe you should re-read my post. I was talking about a sci-fi tv show, not reality.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Feb 18, 08, 04:50 / #
polishcanuck wrote: All the more reason to standardize history books. This does not looks like a comment from somebody who would read history books. polishcanuck wrote: History is very dangerous because it is too often manipulated or misinterpreted. May I suggest to jump to a giant condom when reading? 100% safety guarantee!

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 18, 08, 11:34 / #
No in fact the past may be starting to hold more accountable. polishcanuck wrote: all humans live in peace and have set aside their differences An 83-year-old former Nazi prison camp guard has been transferred to Italy to serve a life sentence for murder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7248502.stm

Del boyThreads: 22 Posts: 318 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Sep 3, 08, 17:32 / #
here we have a different point of view about relations between the Poles and ze Germans ;) http://www.cwporter.com/image.htm nice catch :) ''Of course, at the same time, this constitutes proof that no Polish empire existed in 966, since Miezszko was the "first"; furthermore, he was not a Pole, but rather, a Norman named "Dago-Mesico", from the Norwegian family line of the Daglingers, who migrated into lands settled by the Germans on the Weichsel and Warthe. His baptism proves nothing at all -- certainly not that he was a Pole, or that he ever became a Pole: it only proves that Dago accepted Christianity. There are no records -- as scholars confirm today -- which ever mention -- even once -- a people bearing the name "Poles" or "Slavs" "in the area" at that time. The only tribes which were native to the area were Germanic, and the founders of the Polish empire were also German. But Polish history has to begin somewhere; it was therefore logical to take this Christian baptism as the point of departure."

Del boyThreads: 22 Posts: 318 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Edited by: Del boy Sep 3, 08, 18:32 / #
something more for you Miste :) "To sum up: Hitler never made any territorial demands on Poland: on the contrary, he offered to guarantee the 1919 borders with Poland. The Poles replied that this was "insult to their honour and a threat to their independence". Danzig was never a part of Poland, and was not part of Poland in 1939: it was a so-called "free city" under the nominal control of the League of Nations. Poland owes its existence as a modern independent state to the Treaty of Bresk-Litovsk, signed between the Germans and the Soviets in March 1918. It was considered to be in the German interests to create, or permit the existence, of a series of independent buffer states between itself and the Soviet Union. Hitler shared this view, stating that if the Poles did not defend their eastern borders, then the Germans would have to do it. In this sense, Hitler was pro-Polish, and desired a strong, independent, anti-Communist Poland. Germany and Poland should have been natural allies, forming a bulwark against bolshevism in Europe, and should have been ideal trading partners. Both countries were anti-Jewish (the Poles far more so than the National Socialists); Poland was in the depths of a depression, a producer of raw materials and agricultural goods needed by Germany, while Germany was a producer of finished goods badly needed by the Poles. To reach an agreement with the Poles, Hitler abandoned ALL CLAIM to huge areas of Poland which were 65-85% German, areas of inestimable economic value." Great piece of history :)

RyszardThreads: - Posts: 123 Joined: Aug 7, 07	Sep 3, 08, 18:44 / #
...? But what's the point of quoting this lunatic. Look at the main page and other "articles". MADE IN RUSSIA - THE HOLOCO$T explains everything.

Del boyThreads: 22 Posts: 318 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Edited by: Del boy Sep 3, 08, 18:49 / #
Yes, but Gerries like that version of of history a lot

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Edited by: Babinich Sep 3, 08, 19:48 / #
polishcanuck: All the more reason to standardize history books. Be careful what you wish for. Del boy: Hitler was pro-Polish, and desired a strong, independent, anti-Communist Poland. Germany and Poland should have been natural allies, forming a bulwark against bolshevism in Europe, and should have been ideal trading partners. http://www.pogonowski.com/display.php?textid=849

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Sep 3, 08, 19:52 / #
Del boy: Yes, but Gerries like that version of of history a lot Says who?