RUSSIA'S AMBASSADOR TO NATO takes joint large responsability for war.

szkotja2007 wrote:

celinski wrote:
"Rogozin: The Germans and the Russians see many things similarly. In contrast to the US, we have experienced war on our soil and we know that we jointly bear a large responsibility."

I have read this and it is unclear to me what he is referring to, in the context of the link

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 25, 08, 20:36 / #
I was suprized to hear this spoken out loud. Could this mean that Russia is getting closer to the realization the truth is out? "Rogozin: The Germans and the Russians see many things similarly. In contrast to the US, we have experienced war on our soil and we know that we jointly bear a large responsibility." INTERVIEW WITH RUSSIA'S AMBASSADOR TO NATO 'The Attempt to Push Georgia into NATO Is a Provocation' Russian Ambassador to NATO Dmitry Rogozin, 44, spoke with SPIEGEL about Moscow's opposition to membership for Ukraine and Georgia in the Western alliance, the threat of an arms race and potential cooperation between Moscow and the West to help stabilize Afghanistan. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,540426,00.html

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Mar 26, 08, 03:01 / #
celinski wrote: "Rogozin: The Germans and the Russians see many things similarly. In contrast to the US, we have experienced war on our soil and we know that we jointly bear a large responsibility." I have read this and it is unclear to me what he is referring to, in the context of the link.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 26, 08, 05:56 / #
szkotja2007 wrote: what he is referring to This is true he does not come out with WW2, but I strongly feel this just may be what war he's referring to.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Mar 26, 08, 09:32 / #
celinski wrote: This is true he does not come out with WW2, but I strongly feel this just may be what war he's referring to. As we (Russians) tell about "The War" without any additional definitions, we mean WWII

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 26, 08, 09:32 / #
ConstantineK wrote: "The War" without any additional definitions, Thank you

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Mar 26, 08, 11:20 / #
szkotja2007 wrote: celinski wrote: "Rogozin: The Germans and the Russians see many things similarly. In contrast to the US, we have experienced war on our soil and we know that we jointly bear a large responsibility." I have read this and it is unclear to me what he is referring to, in the context of the link having in mind development of events in some strategic regions, I understand this statement of Rogozin as clear diplomatic warning to Germany

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 26, 08, 12:34 / #
Crow wrote: Rogozin as clear diplomatic warning to Germany I thought it was being directed toward any other country's that are trying to grow independent?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 26, 08, 12:38 / #
Crow wrote: Rogozin: The Germans and the Russians see many things similarly....we jointly bear a large responsibility." Yup...a clear diplomatic warning at Germany...sure...rolls eyes...laughs

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 26, 08, 12:44 / #
Bratwurst Boy wrote: ...rolls eyes...laughs lol, ya I thought the same, did you bring your check book. lol

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Mar 26, 08, 13:56 / #
Bratwurst Boy wrote: Yup...a clear diplomatic warning at Germany...sure...rolls eyes...laughs we shell see who would laugh on the end of story, when Germany started to retreat from Serbian territory, as always

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 26, 08, 15:49 / #
What the "Soviets" had to pay. (1) William Leahy, chief of staff to the commander in chief of the United States, wrote about Yalta in his autobiography, I Was There (1950) Stalin then brought up the question of reparations in kind and in manpower, but said he was not ready to discuss the manpower question. The latter, of course, referred to forced labour. Since the Russians were using many thousands of prisoners in what was reported to be virtual slave camps, they had little to gain by discussing the matter. Stalin then had Deputy Foreign Commissar Maisky elaborate on the Russian view of the reparations question. The proposal in brief was: Reparations in kind should include factories, plants, communication equipment, investments abroad, etc., and should be made over a period of ten years, at the end of which time all reparations would have been paid. The total value of the reparations in kind asked by the Soviet was 10 billion dollars, to be spread over the ten-year period. The German heavy industries should be cut down and 80 per cent. removed in a period of two years after the surrender. Allied control should be established over German industry, and all German industry that could be used in the production of war material should be under international control for a long period. Churchill objected to the 10 billion-dollar figure, and he and Roosevelt agreed that a reparations committee should be appointed to study the issue. Roosevelt made it clear that the United States would not make the financial mistakes that followed World War I. He added that America would not want any manpower, any factories, or any machinery. It might want to seize German property in the United States, which at that time was estimated not to exceed 200 million dollars. Reparations presented a very complicated problem, and the appointment of a special commission seemed to be the only possible way to arrive at any kind of recommendation that could be accepted. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWyalta.htm