Slavic Holocaust

The late Croatian pro-Ustashe Nazi and Hitler-loving, Holocaust-denying antisemitic president, Franjo Tudjman, wrote in his 1988 Croatian version of Hitler’s Mein Kampf, entitled: “Wastelands of Historical Truth”(aka “Wastelands of Historical Reality”) the following:

“The establishment of Hitler’s New Order could be justified by the need to be rid of the Jews, as well as to correct the French-British sin of the (post WW1) Versailles setup” and… “Genocidal violence is a natural phenomenon in harmony with the societal and mythologically Divine nature. Genocide is not only permitted it is also recommended, even commanded by the Word of the Almighty, whenever it is useful for the survival or the restoration of the earthly kingdom of the chosen nation, or for the preservation and spreading of its one and only correct faith”.

dcb	Edited by: Administrator Oct 28, 08, 12:54 / #
First post is about Polish victims. The most important parts of article: http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/People/USHMMPOL.HTM

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 28, 08, 13:41 / #
dcb: First post is about Polish victims Not much on Stalin or Polish at USHMM.org and the information thats incorrect they refuse to change.

dcb	Edited by: dcb Oct 28, 08, 13:53 / #
Some people should know : Hitler : "I have issued the command--and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by firing squad--that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness--for the present only in the East--with orders to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space that we need." Documentation remains fragmentary, but today scholars of independent Poland believe that 1.8 to 1.9 million Polish civilians (non-Jews) were victims of German occupation policies and the war. This approximate total includes Poles killed in executions or who died in prisons, forced labor, and concentration camps. It also includes an estimated 225,000 civilian victims of the 1944 Warsaw uprising, more than 50,000 civilians who died during the 1939 invasion and siege of Warsaw, and a relatively small but unknown number of civilians killed during the Allies' military campaign of 1944-45 to liberate Poland." Celinski we should repeat it as much as possible. Write to Polish consulate in USA.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Oct 28, 08, 14:10 / #
dcb: Celinski we should repeat it as much as possible. Write to Polish consulate in USA. ....and then?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 28, 08, 15:05 / #
dcb: Write to Polish consulate in USA. It's frustrating but Polish media group is also working on this. You are right, time to educate.

loco polacoThreads: 3 Posts: 421 Joined: Aug 5, 08	Oct 28, 08, 15:27 / #
dcb: Allies' military campaign of 1944-45 to liberate Poland." you mean the russkies, right? other allies never set a foot inside PL.

dcb	Edited by: dcb Oct 28, 08, 15:39 / #
It was "strange" liberation ... it was liberation.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Oct 28, 08, 15:50 / #
It's maybe not perfect but in case of a source like that, I would say the info is surprisingly good.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 29, 08, 05:42 / #
dcb: 1939 invasion and siege of Warsaw, and a relatively small but unknown number of civilians killed during the Allies' military campaign of 1944-45 to liberate Poland." Occupation is to take over a country, liberation is to free a country.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Oct 29, 08, 06:55 / #
celinski: Occupation is to take over a country, liberation is to free a country. Mmmmm, is it like in Iraq now, or in West Germany (where Russians are now and were Americans are?)? isn't it?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 29, 08, 09:40 / #
ConstantineK: is it like in Iraq now, Not at all, the troops are trainning the Iraqies to run there own country and the troops can't wait to leave vs. occupying. Just be careful as the Russian's can be trigger happy and don't have to be held accountable if they rape and kill off the innocent families.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Oct 29, 08, 09:41 / #
celinski: Not at all, the troops are trainning the Iraqies to ...kill other Iraqis. celinski: the Russian's can be trigger happy and don't have to be held accountable if they rape and kill off the innocent families. They rape them first and then they kill them or the opposite?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 29, 08, 09:44 / #
southern: They rape them first and then they kill them or the opposite? Depends on the mood, I believe it was rape the wife and daughter while the husbands had to watch, then kill the husband. The wife just wished for death.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Oct 29, 08, 09:45 / #
celinski: Depends on the mood, I believe it was rape the wife and daughter while the husbands had to watch, then kill the husband. The wife just wished for death. Thanks for the clarification.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 29, 08, 10:14 / #
Slavic Holocaust i would try to give my contribution to this thread and to write something.... in memoriam of Slavic victims during German occupation and/or as a result of Nazi ideology This is what happened in Serbia during WWII let me start with town of Kragujevac KRAGUJEVAC - SUMARICE MEMORIAL PARK http://www.yuheritage.com/sumarice.htm The Memorial Park with the Museum of the Genocide is situated on the site where on October 21st, 1941 the Germans killed 7000 citizens of Kragujevac. Among them were three hundred pupils. Monument of the Victims Museum of the Genocide in Kragujevac So, let me underline, it was 7000 civilians, of that number 3000 children (primary schools) Long after the WWII, there was table on the entrence to town of Kragujevac - ``It is forbbiden to Germans to enter this town!`` The area of World War II Memorial Park was bombed by NATO in 1999. The Museum of the Genocide also was damaged.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 29, 08, 10:18 / #
Crow: The area of World War II Memorial Park was bombed by NATO in 1999. The Museum of the Genocide also was damaged. Yet history tells of the victims and this I respect, may they rest in peace.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 29, 08, 10:38 / #
celinski: Crow: The area of World War II Memorial Park was bombed by NATO in 1999. The Museum of the Genocide also was damaged. Yet history tells of the victims and this I respect, may they rest in peace. If today`s Poland has serious leadership, fact that NATO bombed memorial complex where Nazis killed 7000 Serbian civilians in WWII (3000 children), would be quite enough for giant scandal in Poland. One of dirrect reasons why Yugoslavia (after protests against Hitler in Serbia/Belgrade!... in the same time in Croatia/Zagreb were celebrations in support to Hitler) was atacked by Germany, was Serbian wrath on Germans because of attack on Poland and Czechoslovakia. Hitler personaly ordered attack and demanded total destruction of Serbs, historical enemies of Germany. Attack on Yugoslavia and initial bombardement of Belgrade, was one of issues where Hitler was involved with enormous energy and emotions. There are historical data about it.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 29, 08, 10:45 / #
Crow: was Serbian wrath on Germans because of attack on Poland and Czechoslovakia. No I would think not as Poland was already being handed to Stalin. Hitler as with Stalin liked to keep the ones around he knew he was in control of.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 29, 08, 11:12 / #
celinski: No I would think not as Poland was already being handed to Stalin. Hitler as with Stalin liked to keep the ones around he knew he was in control of. Well, you can analize things even from that angle It was Serbian wrath on Soviets (we considered them as anti-Russians) and Serbian power which gave strenght to Tito to say NO! to Stalin. It is also well known historical fact. Even during Kingdom of Yugoslavia, before WWII, there was serious agravation in relations between us and Soviet Union. Serbian lands were overrun with refuges from Russia after communism was establised there. Most of them was killed by Germans in WWII. In Kragujevac, togather with Serbs, was executed some 190 Russians (emigres because of communism)- man, woman and children.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 29, 08, 11:29 / #
Crow: to say NO! to Stalin This was your death sentence. In eastern Poland we were hated due to the anti communist stance and the fact that they placed the military there after the 1920 defeat. I always wondered if this (placing 1920 reserve in eastern new founded lands) was the smartest? Even prior to the declaration of war in 1939, Polish were being killed by Soviets there. Maybe it was thought to be the best stratey to assure the lands were kept under Poland.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 29, 08, 11:37 / #
celinski: This was your death sentence. In eastern Poland we were hated due to the anti communist stance and the fact that they placed the military there after the 1920 defeat. I always wondered if this (placing 1920 reserve in eastern new founded lands) was the smartest? Even prior to the declaration of war in 1939, Polish were being killed by Soviets there. Maybe it was thought to be the best stratey to assure the lands were kept under Poland. If Poland and Yugoslavia had time to establish alliance before WWII (Yugoslavia and Czeshoslovakia already signed secret alliance), there would be bater chances for all of us. Throne of Karadjordjevic of Serbia/Yugoslavia had plane to destablize Soviet communists and to initiate liberation of Russia from communist menace. Polish prince Chartorisky nicely told that only strong Serbia can secure Polish independance. I think that Chartorisky was aware of facts. It is eternal fact. Serbia is weak today, Poland isn`t independent.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Oct 29, 08, 12:48 / #
celinski: In eastern Poland we were hated due to the anti communist stance Who "we"? And by whom?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 30, 08, 15:38 / #
Sasha: Who "we"? And by whom? Military reserve from 1920, by Russian communists.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Oct 31, 08, 10:43 / #
more info about victims of Nazi ideology during WWII, on the territory of former Yugoslavia... Genocide in Satellite Croatia 1941- 1945 by Professor Edmond Paris http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/paris-genocide.html CROATIAN NAZIS THE WORST MONSTERS THE WORLD HAD KNOWN http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/ustashi.html For decades Encyclopedia Britannica had the following sentence when talking about WWII in Yugoslavia (Quote): "...IN BOSNIA...THE CROATIAN FASCISTS BEGAN A MASSACRE OF SERBS WHICH, IN THE WHOLE ANNALS OF WORLD WAR II, WAS SURPASSED FOR SAVAGERY ONLY BY THE MASS EXTERMINATION OF POLISH JEWS"!!!!!!!! (End quote) One can find the sentence in the versions of Britannica from 1971 to 1986 (entry: Yugoslavia, World War II). Probably at later editions too... We believe you have heard about suffering of Polish Jews. There you have the comparison!!! USTASHI MONSTERS PROUDLY DISPLAY THEIR DEEDS http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/gallery.html

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Oct 31, 08, 10:46 / #
Crow: USTASHI MONSTERS PROUDLY DISPLAY THEIR DEEDS http Can you explain the fashion of chopping off serbian heads?It was repeated in Bosnian war.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 31, 08, 10:57 / #
UNITED STATES HOLOCAUS MUSEUM Jasenovac http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/jasenovac/ The Pavelic Papers http://www.pavelic-papers.com/documents/ The Independent State of Croatia: 1941-1945 http://www.pavelic-papers.com/documents/isc/index.html Jasenovac http://www.globaldreamers.org/holocaust/Jasenovac.html more links for those who are interested: http://www.jasenovac-info.com/linkovi/ southern: Can you explain the fashion of chopping off serbian heads?It was repeated in Bosnian war. represent of Bosnian Muslim inteligentsia wrotte book about true genocide in Srebrenica- genocide on Serbs... Ibran Mustafic: Srebrenica was a "Planned Chaos" "The Whole Bridge was Floating in Serbian Blood" MEET THE NAZIS THE CIA MARRIED: THE CROATIAN USTASHI by Petar Makara and Jared Israel [Posted 9 December 2001] http://www.emperors-clothes.com/docs/backin.htm "NO SERBS, JEWS, NOMADS ['Gypsies'] AND DOGS" - Text of signs on public establishments in secessionist Croatia in June, 1941. Tudjman & the Croatian Ustashe Nazi genocide of Krajina Serbs: Part 2 http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/tudjman-the-croatian-us tashe-nazi-genocide-of-krajina-serbs-part-2/ The late Croatian pro-Ustashe Nazi and Hitler-loving, Holocaust-denying antisemitic president, Franjo Tudjman, wrote in his 1988 Croatian version of Hitler’s Mein Kampf, entitled: “Wastelands of Historical Truth”(aka “Wastelands of Historical Reality”) the following: “The establishment of Hitler’s New Order could be justified by the need to be rid of the Jews, as well as to correct the French-British sin of the (post WW1) Versailles setup” and… “Genocidal violence is a natural phenomenon in harmony with the societal and mythologically Divine nature. Genocide is not only permitted it is also recommended, even commanded by the Word of the Almighty, whenever it is useful for the survival or the restoration of the earthly kingdom of the chosen nation, or for the preservation and spreading of its one and only correct faith”. germanization and Nazism are dangerous tool of German `drang nach osten` and genocide on Slavs

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Edited by: joepilsudski Nov 1, 08, 00:55 / #
SLAVIC HOLOCAUST The kielbasa is burnt in the 'gas oven'...The pierogi are 'cremated'...The supply of pivo is 'cut off'...Poles are sent into forced labor screwing in lightbulbs day after day...Kieska skin is made into 'lampshades'. Kielbasa just off the box cars and ready for 'gas ovens'.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,371 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Nov 1, 08, 03:10 / #
Crow: The area of World War II Memorial Park was bombed by NATO in 1999. The Museum of the Genocide also was damaged. Crow: If today`s Poland has serious leadership, fact that NATO bombed memorial complex where Nazis killed 7000 Serbian civilians in WWII (3000 children), would be quite enough for giant scandal in Poland. The monument wasn`t hit directly . It was a nearby car factory that was bombed and the impact of the explosions had some effect on the Museum complex. That`s what Serbs said about it: Five of Zastava's 50 production plants where Zastava's most popular car, the Yugo, were demolished after NATO bombing, its general manager said today. "The bombing was like a micro-surgical operation. They hit in the center of each plant. Look what damage they did with six bombs in 10 seconds,'' said Zastava's general manager, Mr. Milan Beko. http://www.emperors-clothes.com/misc/car.htm On May 14th due to the detonation in the nearest vicinity the facades of the Museum were damaged and all glazed panels and roof lanterns destroyed. The nearby building of the Archives was badly damaged. http://www.yuheritage.com/sumarice.htm

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Nov 1, 08, 03:27 / #
What`s your point Pawian? to say that there is no need for scandal in Poland?

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Nov 1, 08, 11:48 / #
celinski: It's frustrating but Polish media group is also working on this. You are right, time to educate. How will this information be disseminated? Why stop there? Why not bring to light the political intrigue of the war concerning Eastern Europe?