What if USA and Germany destroy Russia? What should Poland do then?

celinski:

A recent poll showed that 73% thought that Putin had led the country in the right direction, while well over half perceive the US in hostile terms. Resentment towards western wealth and success, which Russia still shows little sign of learning how to match, runs deep in the national psyche.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 23, 08, 11:28 / #
i`m just curious of course, it`s hypothetical question

polishgirltx	Jul 23, 08, 11:30 / #
the usual? follow like a puppy....?

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 23, 08, 11:30 / #
CELEBRATE brate. hahahahaha

Wroclaw Boy	Jul 23, 08, 11:33 / #
USA and Germany why Germany?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 23, 08, 11:33 / #
plk123: CELEBRATE brate. hahahahaha wait. You would celebrate if Germany and USA split Russian territory among themselves? For sure, China would also expand interesting view of yours Wroclaw Boy: USA and Germany why Germany? it sounded logicaly to me, if comes to that but all right, what you suggest?

Wroclaw Boy	Jul 23, 08, 11:34 / #
Crow: China would also expand Ahh its a trap

Del boyThreads: 22 Posts: 318 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Jul 23, 08, 11:37 / #
Crow no offence but sometimes your threads are too future orientated, are we should build now defence force system against marsians? This is just too hypothetical

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 23, 08, 11:40 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Crow: China would also expand Ahh its a trap all right, forget on China. What you want me to say? maybe - Poland would get rid of fu**** Russia. Is it ok? Just, in such a hypothetical scenario, you can also forget on Slavic South. It would be for sure immidiately split between Germany/USA and Turkey. Del boy: are we should build now defence force system against marsians? be serious there are no martians

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 23, 08, 11:41 / #
Crow: wait. You would celebrate if Germany and USA split Russian territory among themselves? For sure, China would also expand interesting view of yours definitely and there wouldn't be any need for the missile shield. that'd make you happy, no?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 23, 08, 11:42 / #
plk123: Crow: wait. You would celebrate if Germany and USA split Russian territory among themselves? For sure, China would also expand interesting view of yours definitely and there wouldn't be any need for the missile shield. that'd make you happy, no? thanks for explanation

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 23, 08, 12:01 / #
polishgirltx: the usual? follow like a puppy....? First to fight, fought on all fronts, fought from start to finish. Looks as if they were not the followers.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 23, 08, 12:05 / #
celinski: Looks as if they were not the followers. you think that Poles on Kosovo fights because they support creation of Greater Albania? My grandmother say that if Poles shoot at Serbians, world will end soon. All situation sound that abominable to her. In general, she is interesting old lady

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 23, 08, 14:35 / #
hairball: It's much more than half in the rest of the world! Why do you hate USA so much?

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Jul 23, 08, 20:41 / #
Crow, The only country the USA is in the process of destroying is itself.

Del boyThreads: 22 Posts: 318 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Jul 23, 08, 11:42 / #
plk123: be serious there are no martians u sure? :)

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 23, 08, 12:14 / #
A recent poll showed that 73% thought that Putin had led the country in the right direction, while well over half perceive the US in hostile terms. Resentment towards western wealth and success, which Russia still shows little sign of learning how to match, runs deep in the national psyche. For the full story, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/21/russia.bp

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Jul 23, 08, 14:03 / #
celinski: while well over half perceive the US in hostile terms. It's quite ironic that only half of Russians preceive the US as hostile. It's much more than half in the rest of the world!

rockThreads: 6 Posts: 1,487 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Jul 23, 08, 14:41 / #
Crow: Just, in such a hypothetical scenario, you can also forget on Slavic South. It would be for sure immidiately split between Germany/USA and Turkey. What are you talking about ? USA and EU are supporting the establishment of Kurdistan in the south east of Turkey which is planning to integrate with Iraq Kurdistan. We have our own problems inside and we are not interested in other countries lands.

Wahldo	Jul 23, 08, 23:04 / #
Wroclaw Boy: USA and Germany why Germany? It would take a LOT of Russian aggression.. something they're really not prone to do at the moment. German / US relations are basically luke warm right now, nothing stellar, but probably, at core, a little better than relations with the British.

shopgirlThreads: 7 Posts: 1,446 Joined: Apr 6, 07	Jul 23, 08, 23:36 / #
Wahldo: German / US relations are basically luke warm right now, nothing stellar, but probably, at core, a little better than relations with the British. I bet Obama could change some of that. Let's see what happens after he gives his speech in Berlin tomorrow. :)

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Jul 24, 08, 01:22 / #
hairball: celinski: while well over half perceive the US in hostile terms.It's quite ironic that only half of Russians preceive the US as hostile. It's much more than half in the rest of the world! By "the rest of the world," Celinski, he means his street. Some do, some don't. It's all perception of those one talks to, after all. Crow, USA and Germany are not going to do anything to Russia, although I think Putin and others are trying to make the USA into a bogeyman so they can increase their clutches on the reigns of power in Russia. Hence the whole threats of aiming nukes at anyone considering a shield, regardless of other nations' credible threats. One wonders how long before Putin declares himself dictator and stops trying to kid the world that he's ever let the control leave his fingertips.... USA's fingers aren't always clean either, but if anyone intends to reach into that particular cookie jar I believe, as in the article, it would be the Chinese. The Chinese have demonstrated time and again they could care less what the world thinks, they are doing what they feel is in their interests and that's that. Even USA, for the most part, does not do this. China does in fact need resources and they are running low. They've already had skirmishes with the Soviets in the past, and it's a fair bet their opinion of Russia isn't much better. Just a nice place full of resources for China, occupied temporarily by Russians. Of course, I could have this all wrong. John P.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 24, 08, 01:27 / #
people, i do believe that all what`s going on these years in the world go in just one dirrection USA prepares itself for attack on Russia and, after all Germany and eventualy Britain (plus possibly France) are powers on which USA could count. Others in NATO are powns They would attack Russia, this way or another, in time which is in front of us. They just wait, to complete puzzle map Babinich: The only country the USA is in the process of destroying is itself. yes, attack on Russia could announce end of USA or end of Russia

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Jul 24, 08, 01:42 / #
Crow, What is this puzzle map we Americans are supposed to be creating(?). It's been awhile since US Naval forces were carrying nuclear weapons ready to hit the Soviet Union with a 15 minute response time or less. Our aircraft carriers don't even carry nuclear weapons anymore. I don't know about Russia, but I know quite a few of her "boomer" submarines are rusting in the air, also. I just don't think what you are saying is going to happen. Serbia got screwed, to which I say if what the media reported w/r/t mass murder, extermination and "cleansing" are true, then it was bound to happen. If not, then the media and those pulling it's strings set your country up and they are to blame for fooling the world. Either way none of these is in any way evidence of a desire to divide up Russia between anyone else. Such has historically been a bad idea, as a rule. If NATO or other group gets in a war with Russia, it will be because Russia started it, not because anyone really wants to go there and attack. Well, I can't speak for the Germans, but at least as far as we Americans are concerned, as a general rule. In 1985, perhaps you would have been right. Plenty of Americans would have supported launching hundreds of Nuclear weapons and incinerating Russia and all the other Soviet Republics into a sea of glass. Likewise many of them saw us the same way. Times change a lot in 20 years or so. That was then, this is now, and your claims are to me, at least, a bit paranoid. On an off note, I don't think Obama could come up with his own ideas if they were written by divine intervention for him in the clouds. He says whatever his advisors tell him to. Unfortunately I don't think the other candidate we have is much better. Do not fool yourself to thinking a man who looks good on camera is necessarily a good leader. John P.

peterwegThreads: 35 Posts: 1,948 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Jul 24, 08, 03:07 / #
Del boy: Crow no offence but sometimes your threads are too future orientated, are we should build now defence force system against marsians? This is just too hypothetical Future?? crow lives in in a mud hut in the 1930's

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,971 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Jul 24, 08, 04:02 / #
settle down with the dreams of war, honestly it's like some of you guys actually froth at the idea of armed conflict. time to grow up and help others do the same.

tomekThreads: 1 Posts: 147 Joined: Jun 12, 08	Jul 24, 08, 04:44 / #
Even if NATO had the shield ready it would be dumb to go with it on countries bearing tousands of nuclear armed rockets. While it could preserve this warheads to detonate, by destroying them in the air, some would leak out nuclear material thereby polluting the enviroment. The shield has only an acceptable defensive function against a low scale attack. But if such dumb action was undertaken, what would Poland do? Well one of our biggest tank-division, armed with 128 German-sponsored Leopard 2s, would take orders directly from Germany, Hannover 1. Panzerdivision. So feel free to make you a picture what would happen until the radiating dust touches Polish soil.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Jul 24, 08, 05:38 / #
celinski: A recent poll showed that 73% thought that Putin had led the country in the right direction, while well over half perceive the US in hostile terms. Resentment towards western wealth and success, which Russia still shows little sign of learning how to match, runs deep in the national psyche. Leave the decision about is it right direction or not for us. Your opinion as well as opinions all over the world may be only optional character.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 24, 08, 15:22 / #
Crow: USA prepares itself for attack on Russia and, Seems to me it's not the USA that continues to threaten. Lets see if Russia attacks, say Ukraine, would Ukraine ask for help from USA? I guess when Russia keeps saying they are going to attack it would be responsible move for USA to prepare, just in case.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 24, 08, 15:45 / #
celinski: Lets see if Russia attacks, say Ukraine, would Ukraine ask for help from USA? you think in wrong dirrection What if Ukraine decide to respond on call of Serbia for help? What if then by chain reaction Russia support Ukraine and, Czeska and Slovakia follow? Then, what if Polish public say `to hell with NATO fu****` and push official Poland that also support Serbia and Ukraine?

Wahldo	Jul 24, 08, 17:41 / #
shopgirl: I bet Obama could change some of that. Let's see what happens after he gives his speech in Berlin tomorrow. :) Yeah.. Obama would be the best president for EU relations, which are becoming more and more important to the US.