Polish-German Relations in the Present

Quoting: Magnate

I think the Polish-German relations are not growing worse, it is just bolder, and I would say more reasonable government that denies any riddiculous demands from the German side, like Steinbach's, wants to incorporate more Christian traditions into Europe, and strenghten smaller countries in Europe - it's received as a threat from German beaurocracts and globalists... :]

Quoting: Magnate

Re: Crow
I wouldn't say Germany is younger than Poland... Their heritage is actually about 500 years older, but their youth became more "Americanized" and self-oriented even than Polish one. And, of course, their national pride kind of waned for widely known reasons. ;)

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 12, 07, 20:13 / #
What are your views on the relationship between Poland and German? Is it getting better or worse?

shopgirlThreads: 7 Posts: 1,446 Joined: Apr 6, 07	Jun 12, 07, 20:55 / #
For people or governments? Leaders are trying to work things out.... keralanext.com/news/?id=986809

ArturSzastakThreads: 6 Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Jun 12, 07, 21:22 / #
I perzonally like ze Germanz. Zey give me a nice new Volksvagon Beetle, and I find it quite roomy. Vit itz side-airbag engineering and ze air-conditioning, it is truly a vork of art. But zis is only an opinion ;]

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Edited by: MattB Jun 12, 07, 23:25 / #
Quoting: shopgirl For people or governments Mainly for the people. Governments could always be hiding behind the diplomatic veil and may not show their true intentions although I think that the fact that the leaders are trying to work things out sounds pretty sincere :)

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jun 13, 07, 05:00 / #
Quoting: MattB Is it getting better or worse? Worse for sure.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 13, 07, 15:19 / #
German nation is young one, agressive and full of complexes. That`s the reason for bad German attitude on Poles- who are old nation, aware of great heritage.

Magnate	Jun 14, 07, 10:11 / #
I think the Polish-German relations are not growing worse, it is just bolder, and I would say more reasonable government that denies any riddiculous demands from the German side, like Steinbach's, wants to incorporate more Christian traditions into Europe, and strenghten smaller countries in Europe - it's received as a threat from German beaurocracts and globalists... :] Re: Crow I wouldn't say Germany is younger than Poland... Their heritage is actually about 500 years older, but their youth became more "Americanized" and self-oriented even than Polish one. And, of course, their national pride kind of waned for widely known reasons. ;)

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 14, 07, 10:50 / #
Hmm, what about the stereotypes about Poles, do you think they are dissolving from the Germans' point of view or are they getting stronger?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 14, 07, 11:09 / #
Quoting: MattB Hmm, what about the stereotypes about Poles, do you think they are dissolving from the Germans' point of view or are they getting stronger? I, or if you wish - Serbs (speaking about Balkan Serbs) in general, don`t have evan a single prejudice/stereotype on Poles. We consider Poles very culturaly advanced and Poland as last core of Sarmatia (old Slavia). It is familar to us that most of people on false West have some prejudices on Poles (on Slavs in general) but, we don`t give a sh** about that. For us, Poles are our Slavic brothers and sisters and we would like that Poles and Russians respect each others- that they work togather.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 11:12 / #
Quoting: Magnate I think the Polish-German relations are not growing worse, it is just bolder, and I would say more reasonable government that denies any riddiculous demands from the German side, like Steinbach's, wants to incorporate more Christian traditions into Europe, and strenghten smaller countries in Europe - it's received as a threat from German beaurocracts and globalists... :] Who do you think is respected now in the EU and who get's laughed about? PS: I've heard that the polish potatoe heads are backpedaling with their veto on the EU constitution...all are feeling just annoyed by them... Quoting: Magnate Re: Crow I wouldn't say Germany is younger than Poland... Their heritage is actually about 500 years older, but their youth became more "Americanized" and self-oriented even than Polish one. And, of course, their national pride kind of waned for widely known reasons. ;) snicker Remember last summer in Germany? Whenever you want to see national pride you just have to watch our Mannschaft! :) PS: Americanized got only the western half...

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Jun 14, 07, 11:31 / #
Quoting: Bratwurst Boy we are several thousand years old already... MUHA UHAHAH MAUHAH UAH UAH MUAHAHAH MUHA MUHA MUAHHAH HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HA HA HA HAHA HAH H KH KH KH KHHHH eh

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 11:37 / #
Ja? Let me laugh with you! "...The concept of "Germanic" as a distinct ethnic identity was hinted at by the early Greek geographer Strabo [1], who distinguished a barbarian group in northern Europe similar to North American Indians, but not part of, the Celts. Posidonius, to our knowledge, is the first to have used the name, around 80 BC, in his lost 30th book. Our knowledge of this is based on the 4th book of Athenaeus, who in ca. AD 190 quotes Posidonius as saying that "The Germani at noon serve roast meat with milk, and drink their wine undiluted". By the 1st century A.D., the writings of Caesar, Tacitus and other Roman era writers indicate a division of Germanic-speaking peoples into tribal groupings centred on: * the rivers Oder and Vistula (Poland) (East Germanic tribes), * the lower Rhine river (Istvaeones), * the river Elbe (Irminones), * Jutland and the Danish islands (Ingvaeones). The Sons of Mannus Istvaeones, Irminones, and Ingvaeones are collectively called West Germanic tribes. In addition, those Germanic people who remained in Scandinavia are referred to as North Germanic. These groups all developed separate dialects, the basis for the differences among Germanic languages down to the present day...." Knowing that those people didn't just hatch this moment but developed for several centuries/millennia already you got a really old people... Now tell me your joke! PS: "...Strabo[1] (Greek: ; 63/64 BC – ca. AD 24) was a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher. He is mostly famous for his 17-volume work Geographica, which presented a descriptive history of people and places from different regions of the world known to his era...." Ancient Germanic Culture "Did you know that Tolkien's Middle Earth* is firmly based on Germanic mythology, and that the Rohirrim culture as portrayed in the novel is clearly derived from the Anglo-Saxons?*"

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 14, 07, 12:05 / #
Quoting: Bratwurst Boy we are several thousand years old already Well 'several' generally means more than two, and more than 2000 years would be too exaggerated. Even if Germans aren't that young as a people, why the ancient hate against Poles or Slavs in general. The Slavic culture isn't very young either and Polish people have most probably the most German blood in them (excluding of course the native Germanic peoples) and vice versa for Germany, due to the two countries' intertwined history.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 12:06 / #
Strabo encountered Germanics ca. 400 B.C which makes it around 2500 years now. And how I said those people didn't just hatch this moment but developed as a people for awhile now...it's hard to say how long but another 2000 years would be easy... People don't start to live only when someone writes about them...and Strabo already recognized a distinct people as in rituals, behaviour, stature, believe, language etc....

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 14, 07, 11:25 / #
You see people what I talking about? Wurst demonstrate real complexity of young German nation. No wonder that such a beings can`t found beauty in European heritage.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 11:28 / #
If you mean the national state then "young" is fitting I think...1871 is fairly recent. But if you mean the people, our ethnicity, our heritage...we are several thousand years old already... What do you mean with "young"? Bismarck rocks!

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 14, 07, 12:14 / #
Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Strabo encountered Germanics ca. 400 A.D That would make it 1607 years Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Did you know that Tolkien's Middle Earth is firmly based on Germanic mythology, and that the Rohirrim culture as portrayed in the novel is clearly derived from the Anglo-Saxons Tolkien's books were based on Celtic culture and Anglo-Saxon while the Rohirrim were based on Viking culture. But that's off the point. Why the hate against Poles and Slavs?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 12:17 / #
I would Quoting: MattB Even if Germans aren't that young as a people, why the ancient hate against Poles or Slavs in general. The Slavic culture isn't very young either and Polish people have most probably the most German blood in them (excluding of course the native Germanic peoples) and vice versa for Germany, due to the two countries' intertwined history. In the last century the "Erbfeind" was France...so I wouldn't speak of ancient hate. I've read somewhere (sorry no link) an interesting theory: During the Völkerwanderung territories in the east which belonged before to germanic tribes were left behind...in waves settler from the East (slavs) came and settled there...as germanic tribes came back/moved east fights ensued....borders were never clearly defined...and that plus different cultures made for uncomfortable neighborhood... (that's very short and generalized I know but it sounds plausible)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jun 14, 07, 12:18 / #
Quoting: MattB Quoting: Bratwurst Boy Strabo encountered Germanics ca. 400 A.D That would make it 1607 years Sorry...it was B.C....centuries before Tacitus etc...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jun 14, 07, 12:20 / #
Quoting: MattB Tolkien's books were based on Celtic culture and Anglo-Saxon while the Rohirrim were based on Viking culture. But that's off the point. Vikings were Germanics too...

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 14, 07, 12:22 / #
I see, so that's how it could have started. But why do you seem so anti-Polish? Your first post on this topic was pretty negative after all.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 12:23 / #
Quoting: MattB I see, so that's how it could have started. But why do you seem so anti-Polish? Your first post on this topic was pretty negative after all. After reading pretty much anti-german crap before (Crow and friends) something just exploded I think....erm....:)

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 14, 07, 12:26 / #
Ahhh, what about your friends, family, people in your neighbourhood? How do they feel about Poles?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 12:28 / #
Ummm....as Germany played Poland during the Football WC we all waved german flags...but else...we groan regularly about the antics of your twins and have surely some stereotypes down...but don't plan to invade anytime soon...and you?

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 14, 07, 12:33 / #
Hmm, well I won't be able to give you an honest answer because I'm not living in Poland right now, however even where I am, our twins don't look very capable, hope it turns out otherwise though. Personally, I do have certain bad stereotypes about Germans but I like them in general, I even find the two cultures quite similar :)

ola123	Jun 14, 07, 12:45 / #
Quoting: Bratwurst Boy and you This is not even funny BB. I can say only for myslef and my friends who all think that Germany is our ok neighbour and there is absolutely no negative opinions towards this nation. It is more positive than anything else. Many people say thet Germans have the most similar culture to ours of all European nations. I have only met friendly Germans and enjoy learning German language. I even thing that to normal people Germans are seen better than before because of BMW team that has polish driver and factories built in Poland that gave some ppl work........ Shame about gov who are no positive towars each other at all. Rant over.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 12:49 / #
Quoting: ola123 This is not even funny BB. That happens when a German tries to make a joke....:(

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Edited by: MattB Jun 14, 07, 12:52 / #
hmmmm

MattBThreads: 2 Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 12, 06	Jun 14, 07, 12:56 / #
One think I can safely say for myself is that I love Germans when compared to Russians. Too bad I don't know any Serbs to make a judgement about them :l ( sorry Crow :) )

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 14, 07, 13:09 / #
Germans have had a long relationship with Russia and besides WWII it was quite fruitful for both people...Catherine the Great was German after all... I think feelings about the Russians are more positive than negative....(the main bad stereotype is "to much vodka")