Russian court refuses to hear Poland massacre case

This is the first meeting of the group’s experts since its re-establishment in December last year. The Polish team is headed by former foreign minister Adam Rotfeld. Among the difficult historical topics addressed by the Polish side are the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, the Katyn massacre of Polish POWs, the wartime deportation of hundreds of thousands of Poles to Siberia as forced labor.

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,236 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Jul 8, 08, 01:15 / #
MOSCOW, July 7 (Reuters) - A Russian court on Monday refused to consider a request for a criminal investigation into the execution of thousands of Polish army officers executed by the Soviet Union in a World War Two massacre. Reuters story Such a shame that Russia cannot admit to its crimes and move on to a new chapter in its relations with Poland, but I guess the Russian character will never allow itself to be belittled by Poland (in its eyes).

LIDLJUGENDThreads: 4 Posts: 36 Joined: Jul 2, 08	Edited by: LIDLJUGEND Jul 8, 08, 07:53 / #
Some things never change.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Jul 8, 08, 07:55 / #
Yesterday also Whitehall said it believed it was the Russian State that ordered the nuclear poisening in London.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 8, 08, 07:57 / #
ukpolska: but I guess the Russian character will never allow itself to be belittled by Poland And yet by the actions they take, this is what they are doing to themselves.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Edited by: ConstantineK Jul 8, 08, 08:34 / #
Oh my God, I am begining to think that Poles are really mad. This theme was discussed in various modifications many times. Leave it, it's vain! Or lets smear another huge portion of snots!

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jul 8, 08, 08:57 / #
ukpolska: A Russian court on Monday refused to consider a request for a criminal investigation into the execution of thousands of Polish army officers executed by the Soviet Union in a World War Two massacre. link It was the same court which convicted Tukhachevski?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 8, 08, 09:14 / #
ConstantineK: I am begining to think that Poles are really mad. Not mad, upset. I'm beginning to think Russian's have been asleep for the last 100 years. Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin currently leads the candidate list in an internet poll of greatest Russians of all time, dismaying historians, reports said Tuesday. The poll, which runs on the website nameofrussia.ru. till September, threatens to become a disgrace, Russian media commented. 'The people simply cannot know the truth,' the head of the Institute of Russian History, Vladimir Lavrov, told the internet newspaper website Gazeta.ru in Moscow. Lavrov criticized the portrayal of Stalin in school text books as a hero. Stalin, who came from Georgia, is generally regarded as the one of history's worst dictators, responsible for the mass murder of millions during his 30-year reign up to his death in 1953. The poll has been organized by state television channel Rossiya and lists 50 candidates. Already 1.3 million people have voted, with singer Vladimir Visocki in second place and communist revolutionary Lenin in third. monstersandcritics. com/news/ europe/news/ article_1415671. php/Stalin_leads_ internet_ poll_of_greatest _Russian_ heroes

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Jul 8, 08, 09:20 / #
celinski: Stalin, who came from Georgia I know these bastards. celinski: with singer Vladimir Visocki in second place He was even worse than Stalin.

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07	Jul 8, 08, 10:14 / #
southern: celinski: Stalin, who came from Georgia I know these bastards. celinski: with singer Vladimir Visocki in second place He was even worse than Stalin. The singer Katie Melua is Georgian. Exporting suffering seems to be a way of life for these people I think.

skiThreads: 12 Posts: 202 Joined: Jun 28, 08	Jul 8, 08, 11:52 / #
http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul84683.html maybe it will help to solve some basic problems This is the first meeting of the group’s experts since its re-establishment in December last year. The Polish team is headed by former foreign minister Adam Rotfeld. Among the difficult historical topics addressed by the Polish side are the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, the Katyn massacre of Polish POWs, the wartime deportation of hundreds of thousands of Poles to Siberia as forced labor.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 9, 08, 06:33 / #
FYI- from Russian news Documents on Katyn executions missing in Poland Poland’s Institute of National Remembrance has lost the documents detailing the Katyn massacre, when thousands of Polish officers were executed in 1940. The papers were handed over to Warsaw by Moscow in early 1990s after Russia admitted the Soviet Union's involvement in the crime. http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/27244

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 9, 08, 13:23 / #
Russian court refuses to hear Poland massacre case Why? to hear is necesery first step Its not logical move, if Russia wants to pledge with other Slavs in order to secure future of Slavic civilization.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 9, 08, 14:33 / #
Crow: Its not logical move IMO this is what needs to happen if the past is to heal, this is how civilized Slavic people show respect for each other.

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Jul 9, 08, 20:44 / #
Crow: Why? to hear is necesery first step Its not logical move, if Russia wants to pledge with other Slavs in order to secure future of Slavic civilization. celinski: IMO this is what needs to happen if the past is to heal, this is how civilized Slavic people show respect for each other I read Crow's response as believing that an admission was a first step in the healing process.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,218 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Jul 8, 08, 17:42 / #
Kilkline: The singer Katie Melua is Georgian. Exporting suffering seems to be a way of life for these people I think. OMG,stop,my sides are just recovering from ski's lecture vis a vis Britain should learn multi culturalism from Poland :)

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,236 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Jul 9, 08, 06:43 / #
Somehow I knew you would get your teeth into this celinski :)

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 9, 08, 06:54 / #
ukpolska: Somehow I knew you would get your teeth into this celinski :) :)

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 10, 08, 09:27 / #
Babinich: I read Crow's response as believing that an admission was a first step in the healing process. OK I was reading it wrong then. Sorry Crow, I aggree with you.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 10, 08, 15:45 / #
celinski: OK I was reading it wrong then. Sorry Crow, I aggree with you. well, my English isn`t perfect and i should appologize if i mistake sometimes but, to make things clear here i would underline... I, and as i know, absolute majority of Serbians support Polish demands for justice in case with massacres on Polish soldiers commited by Soviet Union. Those tragedies deserve full investigation and Russia should cooperate with Poland on it.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Jul 11, 08, 00:48 / #
ConstantineK: Or lets smear another huge portion of snots! This reminds me of your pocketgod's quote: They just picked it out of their nose and smeared it on their little sheets v. putin You're already speaking with his words. Be aware you may end up in asylum if watching putin-tv that much. southern: He was even worse than Stalin. Why? Crow: I, and as i know, absolute majority of Serbians support Polish demands for justice in case with massacres on Polish soldiers commited by Soviet Union. I do not think so. There's a good russian saying: "Za dvumia zajcami pogonish'sya - ni odnogo ne poymaesh". Literally "chasing two hares you'll catch none". I hope you understand. 2Polish friends: Let me on behalf of some Russians beg your pardon for the crimes commited by "russians" against Poles, especially in Katyn.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Jul 11, 08, 06:57 / #
Sasha: 2Polish friends: Let me on behalf of some Russians beg your pardon for the crimes commited by "russians" against Poles, especially in Katyn. Say it for yourself

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 11, 08, 08:22 / #
Sasha: on behalf of some Russians beg your pardon Is this like saying your sorry? In the US "beg you pardon" is used if you bump into someone and I was unsure if this is how you use the term.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Jul 11, 08, 08:28 / #
celinski: Is this like saying your sorry? In the US "beg you pardon" is used if you bump into someone and I was unsure if this is how you use the term. Do you see Sasha now? They are constantly complaining. Now Celinski think that your regret is not full and sufficient!

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jul 11, 08, 08:31 / #
ConstantineK: They are constantly complaining I am not complaining I am asking? You see in the USA our words are used in a differant manner. If this was a sign of regreat, Thank you Sasha :)

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Jul 11, 08, 08:51 / #
celinski: If this was a sign of regreat, Thank you Sasha It was and you're very welcome. I know that British and American English are different and I have no idea which one I speak. Perhaps it's kinda Rus-US-UK blend. ConstantineK: Do you see Sasha now? They are constantly complaining. Everybody complains in his own way. :) It inheres in people.