Taliban in Pakistan, should the allies go into Pakistan?

celinski wrote:

It is not the same Taliban. Afganistan at first was protected, then it changed to being killed. No the USA does not support the Taliban and if you watched the National Geo. on the rise you would see this. Palistan has backed and Saudi's and even the Saudi's stopped.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 08:44 / #
Last night I watched this on TV. The USA funds Pakistan, Pakistan funds the Taliban. Seems to me Pakistan needs to come up with a plan where they are on one side or the other. Toward the end of the interview, you will see where anyone not going along with the Taliban, their body shows up dead. Hate for America is being driven into the people of Pakistan and Taliban is growing. How does the United States develop a policy that can work without attacking the problem in Pakistan? No policy can succeed in stabilizing Afghanistan without success in Pakistan. The question is, what approach to Pakistan is most likely to produce that success in the medium run? In the long run? "How do we understand the relationship between the ISI [Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence] and the Taliban?" http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/interviews/coll.html

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Edited by: rafik Jan 30, 08, 09:09 / #
celinski wrote: The USA funds Pakistan, Pakistan funds the Taliban the usa has a bad habit of stirring shiit and dragging allies into it and then leaving the party without helpinjg others an with all mess behind.poland should not join them in case any action will be taken against pakistan.we have seenn enough in irak in 1991 and at present also afganistan,vietnam and soon in iran.

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Jan 30, 08, 09:20 / #
well we all know how the US of A help fund both iraqi and iranian armys during there conflict...the longer they can protract the war, less fighting they would need to do....sneeky little feckers, but good strategy.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 09:24 / #
rafik wrote: and at present also afganistan Do you remember what the Taliban was doing to citizen in Afganistan? Taliban are blowing up schools, threatening teachers , leaving notice's (along route to school) not to go to school or children will be killed.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Edited by: BubbaWoo Jan 30, 08, 09:34 / #
celinski wrote: Seems to me Pakistan needs to come up with a plan where they are on one side or the other. seems to me that america is indirectly funding terrorists... just as they have been for decades rafik wrote: the usa has a bad habit of stirring shiit and dragging allies into it and then leaving the party without helpinjg others an with all mess behind. whilst on the subject of american sh!t stiring then bunking out without clearing up their mess, has anyone seen charlie wilsons war...great quote at the end... "These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fukced up the endgame." same old story

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Jan 30, 08, 09:42 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: "These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we ****** up the endgame." You had to ruin the ending for me :D

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 09:46 / #
Ranj wrote: You had to ruin the ending for me me too. BubbaWoo wrote: that america is indirectly funding terrorists so when do we tell Pakistan no more

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Jan 30, 08, 09:47 / #
when you cleaned up your mess

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 10:27 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: when you cleaned up your mess So to heck with Afganastan, let the military Taliban beef up supplies on US money, teach more bull on killing through "holy war" and build troops, then turn around and kill some more innocent Afgan familes.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jan 30, 08, 10:36 / #
celinski wrote: Taliban in Pakistan, should the allies go into Pakistan? Sure. Why delay WW3. Let's get it out of the way now. Just give me till 1PM, so I can have my lunch in peace.

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Jan 30, 08, 10:55 / #
celinski wrote: They are growing stronger and larger than the terrorist that are trying to take over their country. But they will never live in peace no matter how large the Iraqi army is. These people breed terrorists. It's a lifestyle for them and unfortunately it'll never stop.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jan 30, 08, 10:57 / #
celinski wrote: I take it you cannot have compassion for the innocent killed? You're wrong. It is because I have a lot of compassion for the innocent that I am opposed to Americans making any kind decisions influencing the lives of other peoples. The list of the innocent people slaughtered by the US is much too long for this casual posting. And all in the name of oil, bananas, lead, copper etc. Even the Taliban and Saddam were financed and aided by the US. The US politicians don't seem to have the slightest idea about the long term ramifications of their decisions. Fairly few oppressors in the 20th century did not in one way or another benefit from American financial, political or military aid. So yes, I understand what's going on here.

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Jan 30, 08, 11:33 / #
celinski wrote: Oh and I thought it was because they are tyrants that kill for things such as your lack of growing a beard, this is there law, or children being educated. Try having your fathers throat slashed because he's not of your god. All must die but muslums. it seems that you are a victim of the bush propaganda.half truth mixed with lies and patriotism.i'm not anti-american.just hate lies and those who lie.i think that muslim terrorists should be caught and locked but how many terrorist from afganistan and irak blew up themselves and killed innocent civilians in europe?none.all of them were from pakistan or north african countries or,this sends shivers down my spine,from the uk.why the us have not attacked any of this countries instead?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 11:39 / #
rafik wrote: all of them were from pakistan or north african countries or,this sends shivers down my spine They are between Afganistan/Pakistan boarder. Pakistan is saying we cannot go in. This is what will happen, Pakistan cannot play on both sides anymore. They let the US fly drones out then say they did it, the reporter that showed the US tag on the bomb, he was killed and found weeks later in a ditch.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Jan 30, 08, 10:40 / #
that would be your mess, yes

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jan 30, 08, 10:44 / #
celinski wrote: So to heck with Afganastan, let the military Taliban beef up supplies on US money, teach more bull on killing through "holy war" and build troops, then turn around and kill some more innocent Afgan familes. Families in Afghanistan were killed long before 9/11. With all respect, where was the US high moral ground then? It seems to me you are trying to portray the US government and politicians as the goody-do fellas who loose sleep over some "collateral damage" in a far off country. They don't. I think America's role as the "global cop" would be acceptaple is America was just it - a cop. Cops do what they are told, but they do not make policies.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 10:51 / #
z_darius wrote: Why delay WW3. Do you really understand what is going on? I take it you cannot have compassion for the innocent killed? dtaylor wrote: US of A help fund both ira The point of funding, trainning the Iraq's army is so we can leave and they can have a decent country. Iraq Army just lead a fight where they lead the way and took back a terrorist strong hold. They are growing stronger and larger than the terrorist that are trying to take over their country.

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Jan 30, 08, 11:03 / #
celinski wrote: Do you remember what the Taliban was doing to citizen in Afganistan? Taliban are blowing up schools, threatening teachers , leaving notice's (along route to school) not to go to school or children will be killed. the same taliban which was backed by the us in the 80ties.it's a great tears-squizzing ,official story but somehow it feels like the us have there a great place to try out their new technology(smart bombs ect). people are killed tortured in countries like sudan for example or saudi arabia,still,the us remains deaf and blind.irak?oh great.destroy a country first and give it everything they need later to rebuild it in exchange for oil(at iraki prices of oil and american prices of goods of course)..

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Jan 30, 08, 11:22 / #
Why all the American interest in Pakistan now? The Taliban have been strong all along the border with Pakistan from day one. Did someone find some oil in Pakistan?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 11:23 / #
z_darius wrote: Taliban and Saddam were financed and aided by the US. rafik wrote: the same taliban which was backed by the us in the 80ties. It is not the same Taliban. Afganistan at first was protected, then it changed to being killed. No the USA does not support the Taliban and if you watched the National Geo. on the rise you would see this. Palistan has backed and Saudi's and even the Saudi's stopped. z_darius wrote: And all in the name of oil, bananas, lead, copper etc. Oh and I thought it was because they are tyrants that kill for things such as your lack of growing a beard, this is there law, or children being educated. Try having your fathers throat slashed because he's not of your god. All must die but muslums. Feb 1 EU is moving to Africa to help, yet we should just let this barbaric thinking go on?

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Jan 30, 08, 11:26 / #
celinski wrote: It is not the same Taliban. Afganistan at first was protected, then it changed to being killed. No the USA does not support the Taliban and if you watched the National Geo. on the rise you would see this. Palistan has backed and Saudi's and even the Saudi's stopped. was the whole afghan population killed in the 80ties?this are the same people or,maybe,their sons.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jan 30, 08, 11:30 / #
celinski wrote: It is not the same Taliban. Imagine that. Bad, bad Taliban. Turned its back on the US :) celinski wrote: Oh and I thought it was because they are tyrants that kill for things such as your lack of growing a beard, this is there law, or children being educated. The US has no problem with that as long as the oil is flowing and nobody's fooling with switching from petro-dollar to petro-euro. It's not like Saudi Arabia is a democracy, is it? I must have missed the US Congress resolution to go and save about 50% of their population from daily discrimination. You may be an idealist, and that is great. The problem is that your government isn't, in spite of your beliefs it is.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 11:31 / #
rafik wrote: was the whole afghan population killed in the 80ties? No this is not the same people, watch and see why they have gone from helping to hurting. youtube.com/watch?v=06g8Yifi9YI

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Jan 30, 08, 12:06 / #
celinski wrote: No this is not the same people, watch and see why they have gone from helping to hurting. i watched the first 3 parts of this document and it clearly shows that talibans are the same people who fought russians in the 80ties.they are no different to mujahadins.it's just a different movement.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Jan 30, 08, 12:14 / #
What if pakistanis supporting talibans escape to Bangladesh?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 12:26 / #
rafik wrote: it's just a different movement. Ya, killing the ones you are defending is differant. southern wrote: escape to Bangladesh? What if Pakistan started earning the money they take and capture and turn over the leaders for trial, or would they rather see more bloodshed. Afganistan can even try them for war crimes.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jan 30, 08, 12:33 / #
"Taliban in Pakistan, should the allies go into Pakistan?" NO!

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 30, 08, 14:18 / #
isthatu wrote: should the allies go into Pakistan?" They asked and were told no. Yet lets make sure to give them money and weapons to give to the Taliban. Even the Pakistanie's that don't cross there i's the way Taliban say are showing up dead. Soon enough Pakistan will be calling us for help.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 30, 08, 15:50 / #
Should the allies go into Pakistan, YES!!

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Jan 30, 08, 15:56 / #
celinski wrote: Taliban in Pakistan, should the allies go into Pakistan? I would just like to clear something up. "I was never a member of the Republican, Democratic, or Independent parties in any way, shape, or form and do not support the decisions made by the United States Government in the past 8 years. Thank you." :]