U.S. Missile Base in Poland----Your thoughts?

Quoting: Raffy, Post #16

Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #15
You mean make it even worse than it already was??
Afghanistan is a playground for corrupt and sadistic warlords who
wouldn't know civilisation if it went up and bit them on the nose!
But I agree, western forces are wasting their time trying to educate cut-throat
clans of the desert. More importantly, they're not worth the lives of westerners pets
let alone security forces...

Yes it is even worse, now. poppy growing increased 1000%
Crime rampent.

Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #15
they're not worth the lives of westerners pets
let alone security forces..

You really are nasty piece of work buddy

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Oct 4, 06, 13:22 / #
Russia not happy about plans for U.S. missle defense base in Poland Warsaw, Poland October 4, 2006 Russia warned both Poland and the U.S. against Poland hosting any U.S. or NATO missle defense system on its territory. A Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman said such a move would undermine the strategic balance in Europe and trigger a "corresponding" response from Moscow. The Interfax news agency quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin as saying Moscow could not rely solely on U.S. or NATO assurances that such systems were not directed solely at Russia. The U.S. has repeatedly said the purpose of its planned missile defense system is to protect the United States and its allies against the threat of ballistic missile attacks from "rogue" states like Iran or North Korea. "This could have a negative impact on strategic stability, regional security and the relations between states," Kamynin said. "Such a new situation objectively requires corresponding measures from us," Kamynin said. He did not specify what those measures might be. Russia, however, announced earlier this year that it was supplying Belarus with its sophisticated S-300 anti-aircraft defense system. "Russia has very frankly communicated its unhappiness to us regarding the prospect of the U.S. planting a missile defense base in Poland," Polish Defense Minister Radowslaw Sikorski told Stars and Stripes, the daily newspaper of the U.S. armed forces, last month. "Clearly, we have to take this Russian view, a powerful neighbor of ours, into account. And that makes us even more insistent on a package of measures that would hypothetically come with a missile defense base, if the U.S. asks for it," the paper quoted Sikorski as saying. Poland and the Czech Republic are the only two countries that have been open to hosting a U.S. missle base.

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Oct 4, 06, 13:32 / #
Who cares what Russia thinks? They can't afford to mess with anyone.

polish_princess	Oct 4, 06, 14:10 / #
United States Missle Base In Poland, Should be taken out of Poland, I'm American but at the same time I'm also Polish I'm an American-Polish, My thoughts about a missle base in Poland, I think That The Poland Citizens should say something about the US missle base that is located in there home country.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,401 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Oct 4, 06, 15:13 / #
The USA could quite easily shoot down missiles over the Atlantic or Pacific. I have no wish to be the first target in someone elses war.

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Oct 4, 06, 15:20 / #
Quoting: Wroclaw, Post #5 The USA could quite easily shoot down missiles over the Atlantic or Pacific. I have no wish to be the first target in someone elses war. u r right.we should not agree on that.our arse licking government will do everything to please american politicians,but what kind of profit are we gonna get?more jobs?are we gonna be more safe?definately not.the americans want this bases to be exteritorial and we will have not any influence on where and when the missiles would be used

FISZThreads: 31 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 14, 06	Oct 4, 06, 15:31 / #
Quoting: Wroclaw, Post #5 The USA could quite easily shoot down missiles over the Atlantic or Pacific Not if they are aimed at you.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,401 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Oct 4, 06, 15:38 / #
Fisz, They will only be aimed at us, If we accept the bases. Besides, if any missiles travel over Russia don't you think they [the Russians] will shoot them down.

sudheerThreads: 1 Posts: 36 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Oct 4, 06, 15:49 / #
Why is the polish government going towards US and away from EU... Is it just my ignorance or is it real ? My knowledge on the subject is limited but I have felt EU as one of the best models of democratic union resulting a very good deal of good.

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Oct 4, 06, 16:07 / #
Wroclaw, I think you'll find that your army etc was neither a threat to Russia or Germany, but what did either nation do to you? Seeing as the Russians have happily supplied endless bloodthirsty, unstable regimes with arms and technologies, then their rationale carries no weight whatsoever. Russia must be one of the most short sighted, absolute failures as a nation state, put on this earth, bar those in Africa!

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,401 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Oct 4, 06, 16:10 / #
Sudheer, Poland is involved in buying military hardware from the States and with it comes many clauses. The USA will not sell its best equipment to Poland but they will come, if invited and use the same arms to look after us. It is just another step in American Globalization. The USA would be coming here under a NATO flag and as you know this is separate to the European Union.

antyrusek	Oct 4, 06, 14:31 / #
Mongolo-Byzantians...

dbtdrhtdhrshtrhs	Oct 4, 06, 15:51 / #
It is your ignorance.

KowalskiThreads: 12 Posts: 619 Joined: Sep 13, 06	Oct 7, 06, 05:57 / #
Money? I can agree that war industry lobby is pushing to sell and install their equipment in Poland or elswhere else where possible but IF you sugest some pettite corruption you have no evidence I'm afraid Mr. Raffy. Don't forget that official foreign policy of PL is to have NATO= USA based security and our "ass licking" is our choice. Do you expect England or France to help PL in case it was attaced militrily? I don't say US would but our best hopes for eventual help are THERE not in EU, right?

Hobbitual	Oct 7, 06, 06:59 / #
Quoting: Shelley, Post #20 Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #19 When civil war breaks out (Bosnia style) in western Europe I will play my part. I actually think you have a point about the war thing, but Bosnia was a totally different thing they were not immagrant they were in their own homeland. Well muslims born in the UK could argue the same thing. This wasn't my point. The Balkans have a very long history of religious and ethnic fighting.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,401 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Oct 4, 06, 16:32 / #
Frank, Russia is not the threat [in the article] It's Iran and North Korea. The Polish Government are working with the Americans so that they can learn and build a professional army. Of course Poland will never be able to compete with Russia. But then again, how many countries fighting on their own could. I don't mind help, but in this case I don't want American missiles.

Raffy	Edited by: Raffy Oct 4, 06, 16:55 / #
Quoting: polish_princess, Post #3 United States Missle Base In Poland, Should be taken out of Poland, I'm American but at the same time I'm also Polish I'm an American-Polish, My thoughts about a missle base in Poland, I think That The Poland Citizens should say something about the US missle base that is located in there home country. Its all to do with money, nothing else "poor countires" are exploited now, They make a mess in Afghanistan and send Polish troops there to get killed forinstance. why do they need them in Poland? targeting who? I thought sub-marines, ships, American based missile sites could fire those missiles anywhere with pin point accuracy?

Hobbitual	Oct 5, 06, 12:03 / #
Quoting: Raffy, Post #14 They make a mess in Afghanistan You mean make it *even worse* than it already was?? Afghanistan is a playground for corrupt and sadistic warlords who wouldn't know civilisation if it went up and bit them on the nose! But I agree, western forces are wasting their time trying to educate cut-throat clans of the desert. More importantly, they're not worth the lives of westerners pets let alone security forces...

Raffy	Oct 7, 06, 04:40 / #
Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #15 You mean make it even worse than it already was?? Afghanistan is a playground for corrupt and sadistic warlords who wouldn't know civilisation if it went up and bit them on the nose! But I agree, western forces are wasting their time trying to educate cut-throat clans of the desert. More importantly, they're not worth the lives of westerners pets let alone security forces... Yes it is even worse, now. poppy growing increased 1000% Crime rampent. Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #15 they're not worth the lives of westerners pets let alone security forces.. You really are nasty piece of work buddy

Raffy	Oct 7, 06, 04:42 / #
remeber the old europe and new Europe crap that came out when the USA/UK where trying to get their illegal war against Iraq going? Poland was one of the countries which was sniffing US ass, and it was all to do with MONEY.

Hobbitual	Oct 7, 06, 06:04 / #
Quoting: Raffy, Post #16 Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #15 You mean make it even worse than it already was?? Afghanistan is a playground for corrupt and sadistic warlords who wouldn't know civilisation if it went up and bit them on the nose! But I agree, western forces are wasting their time trying to educate cut-throat clans of the desert. More importantly, they're not worth the lives of westerners pets let alone security forces... Yes it is even worse, now. poppy growing increased 1000% Crime rampent. Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #15 they're not worth the lives of westerners pets let alone security forces.. You really are nasty piece of work buddy LOL, Iraq,Afghanistan,Iran,Pakistan. Remove ALL of these from the face of this Earth and the rest of the world will be able to move on. It really is as simple as that. As for being nasty, well maybe I am. It's all in aid of a good cause. I'm simply moving with the times and staying at the sharp end of things. When civil war breaks out (Bosnia style) in western Europe I will play my part.

Shelley	Oct 7, 06, 06:51 / #
Quoting: rafik, Post #6 u r right.we should not agree on that.our arse licking government will do everything to please american politicians well here in the uk they've been doing it for years and it hasnt really done us any harm - apart from all these diry paki terrorist, but if you have any sense you wont let any of them i Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #19 When civil war breaks out (Bosnia style) in western Europe I will play my part. I actually think you have a point about the war thing, but Bosnia was a totally different thing they were not immagrant they were in their own homeland.

Raffy	Oct 8, 06, 11:24 / #
Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #19 LOL, Iraq,Afghanistan,Iran,Pakistan. Remove ALL of these from the face of this Earth and the rest of the world will be able to move on. It really is as simple as that. As for being nasty, well maybe I am. It's all in aid of a good cause. I'm simply moving with the times and staying at the sharp end of things. When civil war breaks out (Bosnia style) in western Europe I will play my part. you're not a very good sheep are you, you forgot Syria, Turkey, Malasia, Indonesia, all of north Africa. I'm simply moving with the times and staying at the sharp end of things. When civil war breaks out (Bosnia style) in western Europe I will play my part Bloody NUT CASE

Raffy	Edited by: Raffy Oct 8, 06, 11:26 / #
Quoting: Kowalski, Post #18 Money? I can agree that war industry lobby is pushing to sell and install their equipment in Poland or elswhere else where possible but IF you sugest some pettite corruption you have no evidence I'm afraid Mr. Raffy. Don't forget that official foreign policy of PL is to have NATO= USA based security and our "ass licking" is our choice. Do you expect England or France to help PL in case it was attaced militrily? I don't say US would but our best hopes for eventual help are THERE not in EU, right? no one is suggesting any curruption. It is just the former eastern block "poor" countries are willing to do what the older Europeans richer nations would not do, Military bases, sending troops off to other lands at USA's request. Why? yup MONEY BTW Britain helped you during WW2, so yes they would help Anyway who would want to invade Poland? or attack Poland?

Hobbitual	Oct 8, 06, 11:43 / #
Quoting: Raffy, Post #22 Bloody NUT CASE LMAO!

Shelley	Oct 8, 06, 13:01 / #
Quoting: Raffy, Post #23 eastern block "poor" countries you havent visit Poland, Prauge or Slovakia have you, well my friend they dont beg in the street, there arent thousands of 16 year olds pushing buggies and I would say they are some of the cleanest places I have ever visited - poor...lol what a cock, Krakow is thirving and so is Prague, Pilzen and many other cities in Czech Rep....jeez you really should travel a little bit more before you make you comments, fuck you're as thick as someone I met at BBQ a couple of months back who thought that it snowed all year in Poland.....

jasiu	Oct 8, 06, 15:46 / #
Quoting: Hobbitual, Post #19 When civil war breaks out (Bosnia style) in western Europe I will play my part. children of men... forget the infertile business... the rest is just round the corner...

Hobbitual	Oct 8, 06, 16:02 / #
Quoting: jasiu, Post #26 the rest is just round the corner Well that depends on who owns/governs that corner.....

Oldy	Oct 8, 06, 17:34 / #
The U.S. already has bases in Italy, Germany, England, and Spain. So wouldn't having a base in Poland make Poland more like these other EU countries?

jasiu	Oct 9, 06, 02:37 / #
the film suggests that owning and governing have gone out the window... all abit messy...

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2 Posts: 283 Joined: Oct 11, 06	Oct 11, 06, 09:22 / #
Quoting: Raffy, Post #23 Anyway who would want to invade Poland? or attack Poland? You don't know much history, huh ?