BNP's shock victory in Lincolnshire

Mister H:

The BNP isn't the answer, so what is ?

Grzegorz_:

Common sense. I know that the whole BNP has some anti-Polish elements, so I'm not going to support them but I'm not really surprised some people do that. You've got mainstream "tolerance", "multiculturalism", pro-pederast stuff, pro-anything which isn't white and native, which many people can't stand anymore and you've got people, who want to make a career on these feelings... More of common sense in the mainstream politics and there won't be a place for BNP and similar stuff.

SeanBM:

the BMP stopped normal good English people from celebrating St. George's day

Scott:

The BNP will continue to pick up votes as long as the British government continues to ignore the feelings of working class British people. This notion that just because you are English you are supposed to be innately tolerant is a fallacy. Why should we be so different? These local election results will be paralleled in constituencies the length and breath of the country.

Scott:

Normal British people are fed up!

Mister H:

I agree that it's a fallacy that the British are incredibly tolerant.

Wroclaw:

according to some MP in Wales

Mister H:

too "rich" to be on benefits, but too "poor" to qualify for any help

welshguyinpola:

and they even said that if in power they would fight against even the white Brits who are abusing our system.

welshguyinpola:

The BNP are a party for Britain. In these times Britain needs to retain its identity and that is what these guys stand for. Some of their views are a bit extreme but I believe they are standing up for the UK and they are not against an coloured person, Indian etc that was born and bred in UK or makes an honest living.

welshguyinpola:

The BNP are a party for Britain.

welshguyinpola:

Find me a BNP quote that ever says anything directkly against blak british ppl

koziolek:

Find me a quote from the BNP that genuinely accepts the people of Britain who were born and raised here regardless of their "race".

welshguyinpola:

I was at a BNP rally once and they even said that if in power they would fight against even the white Brits who are abusing our system.

koziolek:

were somehow unaware of what the party actually stands for

koziolek:

"He's not really racist. He was just trying to wind you up." I was told.

koziolek:

"white working class" being painted as the bad guys.

Mister H:

certainly don't have any non-white members.

10iwonka10:

spongers on benefits and council workers.....

jonni:

have some black members, though what their motivation was for joining is anybody's guess.

10iwonka10:

Labour government is too long. People want some changes.
I think that the best life nwoadays have: spongers on benefits and council workers.....

IronsE11:

What's so good about working for the council?

SeanBM:

Well it gets you out and about and you get to meet "interesting" people ;)

10iwonka10:

the best life nwoadays

SeanBM:

I once saw a blck KKK member on Jerry Springer, means nothing.

SeanBM:

Someone has to do the messy jobs.

SeanBM:

scape goats

koziolek:

I got covered with mud today. Great job.

koziolek:

scape goats

Worrying on more than one level.

koziolek:

Nothing broken will ever be mended by blaming the wrong people.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Nov 16, 08, 06:54 / #
"The British National Party has scored a surprise victory in a council by-election. The far-Right party took a seat in the Lincolnshire market town of Boston, where migrants make up a quarter of the population. Anti-racism campaigners warned that the win would lead to scaremongering about foreigners and an increase in violence and threats......... The town has a huge numbers of migrants, especially from Portugal and Poland, who take low-paid work on farms picking flowers, fruit and vegetables and in food processing plants. Critics have accused the Government of failing to prepare cash-strapped councils for the influx of immigrants by giving them the resources to invest in public services. This has left schools, health facilities and transport struggling to cope with greater numbers." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085735/BNPs-shock-victory-cou ncil-election-sparks-fears-surge-votes-Britain.html Ok, I know this is from the Daily Wail, but I posted it as I find it so depressing. The BNP isn't the answer, so what is ?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Nov 16, 08, 07:13 / #
Mister H: The BNP isn't the answer, so what is ? Common sense. I know that the whole BNP has some anti-Polish elements, so I'm not going to support them but I'm not really surprised some people do that. You've got mainstream "tolerance", "multiculturalism", pro-pederast stuff, pro-anything which isn't white and native, which many people can't stand anymore and you've got people, who want to make a career on these feelings... More of common sense in the mainstream politics and there won't be a place for BNP and similar stuff.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,957 Joined: May 17, 07	Nov 16, 08, 07:16 / #
When Poles get out of UK,the managers who will be left unemployed will beg them to come back.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 16, 08, 08:10 / #
BNP's shock victory in Lincolnshire I have a question, Is the BMP directly linked with combat 18, the white wolves or any other Nazi groups? I noticed in England when i lived and worked there that the BMP stopped normal good English people from celebrating St. George's day (Like we celebrate St. Patrick's in Ireland). They stopped it by pushing their hatred down other people's throats. In stead of just being proud to be English, it was proud to be English and pure evil hatred towards everyone else. It is a shame for good English people to be hindered by such warped minds and disturbing that people would think they are anything else.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Edited by: Mister H Nov 16, 08, 08:39 / #
Grzegorz_: Common sense. I know that the whole BNP has some anti-Polish elements, so I'm not going to support them but I'm not really surprised some people do that. You've got mainstream "tolerance", "multiculturalism", pro-pederast stuff, pro-anything which isn't white and native, which many people can't stand anymore and you've got people, who want to make a career on these feelings... More of common sense in the mainstream politics and there won't be a place for BNP and similar stuff. Ah, a bit of good old-fashioned common sense, with a good dose of logic thrown in for good measure. The problem is, we seem to have gone passed the stage where this is possible as it now seems to be seen as a subject far too tricky to deal with. Therefore it just gets left, which is why parties like the BNP will pick up votes. It's so sad.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Nov 16, 08, 08:51 / #
They were a breakaway group from the National Front. Combat 18 is or was a part of the National Front. I don't know all that much about the precise history of fascism in England, but I do know that National Front is rhyming slang for the people who are "politically" that way inclined. It does mean that more "common sense" is required by the main parties to stop guiding the sheep towards these extremists who use various devisive tactics to lure new voters and members. SeanBM: the BMP stopped normal good English people from celebrating St. George's day They did this by claiming it as their own exclusive patriotic celebration, at a time when the mainstream was already somewhat uneasy or unsure about such things as St. George's Day, the flag of St. George, the Union Jack and so on. (This is related to things such as the complexity of politics in the UK as a whole, the loss of empire and various nutty things to do with multiculturalism). I think this polarisation has diminished in recent times. There are far more England flags on show these days, usually related to football rather than anything else. There can be and is, diversity within a national culture. A major flaw of multiculturalism is that it takes different kinds of culture that exist in Britain today as all being different and of equal value rather than different sides of the same thing. Language is an important thing though. English should be the one and only official language of England. Wales and Scotland can have their secondary official languages, but beyond that, the state shouldn't be bending over backwards to encourage people to use other languages. The BNP must have a very narrow definition of Englishness. Why they are the "British" national party is something of a mystery. They are English nationalists. Scotland and Wales have their own national parties that are not far-right nutters but more of a counterbalance to political domination from London. In the 1980s there was the Anti-Nazi League, Rock Against Racism and so on. I'm not sure what happened to these things over the last few years.

ScottThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Oct 19, 08	Nov 16, 08, 11:44 / #
The BNP will continue to pick up votes as long as the British government continues to ignore the feelings of working class British people. This notion that just because you are English you are supposed to be innately tolerant is a fallacy. Why should we be so different? These local election results will be paralleled in constituencies the length and breath of the country. Yes they do promote obvious national patriotism to express their point but their relevance in today’s Multicultural Britain is stronger than ever. Normal British people are fed up! And to ignore it and simply disregard their overwhelming frustration with the current predicament the UK finds itself in is very dangerous indeed! In short many of us “cannot breath!!”

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Edited by: Mister H Nov 16, 08, 13:30 / #
Scott: The BNP will continue to pick up votes as long as the British government continues to ignore the feelings of working class British people. This notion that just because you are English you are supposed to be innately tolerant is a fallacy. Why should we be so different? These local election results will be paralleled in constituencies the length and breath of the country. I agree, but it's not just the "working class" that the Government ignores. It's also those British people who are too "rich" to be on benefits, but too "poor" to qualify for any help that get kicked to the curb all the time, but we are still expected to pay our taxes like good citizens and not complain. I agree that it's a fallacy that the British are incredibly tolerant. It's not that we're intolerant, more that there is too much one-way traffic - none of it in our direction. We're "tolerant" in that we're used to keeping quiet as we know that no one listens. Scott: Normal British people are fed up! VERY ! But I still don't see how the BNP winning elections will help.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Edited by: Wroclaw Nov 16, 08, 13:36 / #
Mister H: I agree that it's a fallacy that the British are incredibly tolerant. Can I remind you that the word British is no longer to be used. All according to some guy in Wales... It was in the press. Check the thoughts of Ron Davies and David Davies.

koziolekThreads: 2 Posts: 39 Joined: Nov 16, 08	Nov 16, 08, 13:43 / #
Wroclaw: according to some MP in Wales Prydeinig? Mister H: too "rich" to be on benefits, but too "poor" to qualify for any help I know the feeling. I think that describes a lot of the working class. A lot of benefits go to the un-working class.

welshguyinpolaThreads: 32 Posts: 462 Joined: Jan 9, 08	Nov 16, 08, 14:06 / #
The BNP are a party for Britain. In these times Britain needs to retain its identity and that is what these guys stand for. Some of their views are a bit extreme but I believe they are standing up for the UK and they are not against an coloured person, Indian etc that was born and bred in UK or makes an honest living. The BNP stand only for ridding our country of ppl who use our system for their own devices. I was at a BNP rally once and they even said that if in power they would fight against even the white Brits who are abusing our system. Find me a BNP quote that ever says anything directkly against blak british ppl

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Nov 16, 08, 14:24 / #
welshguyinpola: and they even said that if in power they would fight against even the white Brits who are abusing our system. lol...

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Nov 16, 08, 15:14 / #
welshguyinpola: The BNP are a party for Britain. In these times Britain needs to retain its identity and that is what these guys stand for. Some of their views are a bit extreme but I believe they are standing up for the UK and they are not against an coloured person, Indian etc that was born and bred in UK or makes an honest living. But from what I understand they would rather that they returned to the country their parents/grandparents came from and certainly don't have any non-white members.

koziolekThreads: 2 Posts: 39 Joined: Nov 16, 08	Nov 16, 08, 15:48 / #
welshguyinpola: The BNP are a party for Britain. So you're not from a part of Wales where Plaid Cyrmu is particularly strong? Do the English far-right nationalists do well in Wales? welshguyinpola: Find me a BNP quote that ever says anything directkly against blak british ppl Find me a quote from the BNP that genuinely accepts the people of Britain who were born and raised here regardless of their "race".

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Nov 16, 08, 17:16 / #
koziolek: Find me a quote from the BNP that genuinely accepts the people of Britain who were born and raised here regardless of their "race". I doubt that welshguyinpola or anyone could find such a thing. The BNP can do as many PR stunts as they like but they can't polish sh!t !

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Nov 16, 08, 19:21 / #
welshguyinpola, welshguyinpola: I was at a BNP rally once and they even said that if in power they would fight against even the white Brits who are abusing our system. Listen to yourself, if the BNP got into power they would fight people (EVEN whites!) who abuse whose system? considering it would be the fecken BNP who had the power. I do not wish to insult you but are you having a laugh. Seriously? Do YOU really believe that the BNP are not racists of the highest order and have recently had public relations face lift were they pretend not to be complete Nazis? I think the word racist is used too much in the media and on this Forum but there is no way in hell that you can not call the BNP racists, they are racist in the most disgusting sence of the word. This is not fun or to be taken lightly, these people are dangerous and it is a sad day when they get voted in. Racial and immigration policies the BNP was described by the European Parliament's committee on racism and xenophobia as an "openly Nazi party... whose leadership have serious criminal convictions".[79] When asked in 1993 if the BNP was racist, its deputy leader Richard Edmonds said, "We are 100 per cent racist, yes".[79] Founder John Tyndall proclaimed that "Mein Kampf is my bible".[80] When Nick Griffin became chairman in 1999, the party began to change its stance with regard to racial issues. Griffin claims to have repudiated racism, instead espousing what he calls "ethno-nationalism". He claims that his core ideology is "concern for the well-being of the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ethnic nations that compose the United Kingdom". The BNP publicly disavows any interest in white supremacy. Its detractors argue that its definition of white supremacy as the "wish to rule over foreign peoples" is too narrow. The BNP requires that all members must be members of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group.[20] The party does not regard non-white people as being British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalized British citizens. Instead, Griffin has stated that "non-Europeans who stay", while protected by British law, "will be regarded as permanent guests".[81] The BNP is opposed to mixed-race relationships ........

koziolekThreads: 2 Posts: 39 Joined: Nov 16, 08	Nov 16, 08, 19:33 / #
It should be pointed out that this was Boston and not Lincolnshire as a whole. But there are many things that are very worrying about the situation. One thing that is worrying can be found in this PDF file about British fascists who recanted. What is concerning here is that some of these people who have joined the BNP (including some of those mentioned in the article who have since left) were somehow unaware of what the party actually stands for. I prefer racists to be honest and say that they are racist.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Nov 16, 08, 19:48 / #
koziolek: were somehow unaware of what the party actually stands for Oh, I thought that everybody knew, I thought it was general knowledge? I don't understand how it could be confused with anything else. It is inciting racial hatred

koziolekThreads: 2 Posts: 39 Joined: Nov 16, 08	Nov 16, 08, 19:57 / #
I thought it was common knowledge, but it seems some people really are just plain thick. Some people do use the threat of the BNP just as a kind of provocation. I have got into a couple of fights with people who have tried to wind me and my liberal sensibilities up. Just because I'm an easy-going pacifist doesn't mean I'm not prepared to throw a punch (albeit incredibly rarely). "He's not really racist. He was just trying to wind you up." I was told. For one thing, I don't believe a right-minded person would use such a thing as a wind-up, and for another thing, if someone is careless enough to tell me (of all people) that they want the BNP in government, they can expect a serious argument back. One thing I see from news articles on these developments in English politics is that there is a risk of this "white working class" being painted as the bad guys. This can only make things worse.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Nov 16, 08, 20:10 / #
koziolek: "He's not really racist. He was just trying to wind you up." I was told. There are many bad words to describe such people. koziolek: "white working class" being painted as the bad guys. This is a shame. David Cpoeland nailbomber and BNP member. I was doing roofing years ago in brick lane and there was a nail bomb scare by combat 18.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Nov 17, 08, 08:58 / #
Mister H: certainly don't have any non-white members. Believe it or not, they do actually have some black members, though what their motivation was for joining is anybody's guess. The BNP are basically a hate group, on the margins of politics, who get votes in a few local elections by preying upon the prejudices of the undereducated and culturally impoverished. The fact that people in UK are bored with the present government and aren't enthused by the opposition has a lot to do with this.

10iwonka10Threads: - Posts: 74 Joined: Aug 21, 08	Nov 17, 08, 09:36 / #
Labour government is too long. People want some changes. I think that the best life nwoadays have: spongers on benefits and council workers.....

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Nov 17, 08, 09:53 / #
10iwonka10: spongers on benefits and council workers..... What's so good about working for the council?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 17, 08, 10:35 / #
jonni: have some black members, though what their motivation was for joining is anybody's guess. I once saw a blck KKK member on Jerry Springer, means nothing. 10iwonka10: Labour government is too long. People want some changes. I think that the best life nwoadays have: spongers on benefits and council workers..... Although this is a concern it has little or nothing to do with the BNP. IronsE11: What's so good about working for the council? Well it gets you out and about and you get to meet "interesting" people ;) Those bloody road sweepers, I mean who do they think they are? ha ha ha

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Nov 17, 08, 11:14 / #
SeanBM: Well it gets you out and about and you get to meet "interesting" people ;) I work for a local authority and I used to meet a lot of interesting people as part of my job. Sadly these days I spend most of my time behind a desk. I was just wondering what was supposed to be so good about working for the council that it represents 10iwonka10: the best life nwoadays I detest the BNP, but recent government schemes such as the Local Housing Allowance are only likely to enrage and alienate the hard working, low income people of Britain. People want someone to blame and the BNP offer that someone. People who think they are a serious political alternative, with anything other than a rascist agenda, are totally deluded! and no I am not a road sweeper :)

SvenskiThreads: 3 Posts: 212 Joined: Mar 20, 08	Nov 17, 08, 11:19 / #
SeanBM: I once saw a blck KKK member on Jerry Springer, means nothing. lol this is a pretty funny skit..(about a blind black racist..who thought he was white) URL

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 17, 08, 11:29 / #
Unfortunately when things get difficult and people get frustrated they normally can be coerced into looking for the scape goats such as witches or people with different race colour and creeds. While the bankers and mortgage lenders get a big fat severance check and laugh about it on their yachts. I keep thinking of the film "Children of men" (not a great film) but when the human race became sterile they set up internment camps to isolate the foreigners, scary stuff. *There is absolutely no shame in being a road sweeper, I have had far worse jobs. Someone has to do the messy jobs.

koziolekThreads: 2 Posts: 39 Joined: Nov 16, 08	Nov 17, 08, 11:40 / #
I live in a really posh area. Working class, but still really posh. Even the chavs say "Oh I say! Buy me some cigarettes from the shop or there may be some fisticuffs." SeanBM: Someone has to do the messy jobs. I got covered with mud today. Great job. SeanBM: scape goats Worrying on more than one level. Nothing broken will ever be mended by blaming the wrong people.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 17, 08, 11:47 / #
koziolek: I got covered with mud today. Great job. Posh people pay for mud baths. koziolek: scape goats Worrying on more than one level. Ha ha ha ha, are you in fear of a posse with torches coming to get you? ha ha ha. koziolek: Nothing broken will ever be mended by blaming the wrong people. It is common practice in many countries, including England, for the government to get scape goats and arrest them to give the illusion of control and for the public to have the illusion of safety and revenge of sorts.

koziolekThreads: 2 Posts: 39 Joined: Nov 16, 08	Nov 17, 08, 12:03 / #
Rather like how the perception of crime does not have a direct correlation with the actual incidence of crime - it's more to do with how crime appears to be dealt with.