10,000 Poles in UK for free abortions

noimmigration:

Under catholic doctrine unborn babies go to hell dont they ?

Mister H:

Today, 17:02 Report #28
Having an NI number and a few months worth of work under your belt shouldn't mean you can access public services to such an extent.
The "come one, come all" approach to immigration was always going to create problems like this.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07	Dec 16, 08, 03:56 / #
Not My Business but Ten thousand Polish women had abortions in Britain last year, it has been reported, in procedures which are thought to have cost the NHS between £5million and £10m. telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/3773733/10000-Polish-wome n-get-abortions-in-Britain.html http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/health/health/article203735 2.ece

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 16, 08, 04:04 / #
I'll avoid any controversy here, no references to Catholicism or morality. I'll only say that a more adult approach needs to be adopted. There are those cases where abortions should be granted, e.g rape cases. However, when one finds out how easy it is to get an abortion, everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Standards slip and it is hard for doctors to justify a refusal. People get stubborn and merely announce their rights. I'm not a fan of abortion, only in limited instance, but the floodgates have been opened.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Dec 16, 08, 04:07 / #
Its sad of course , but i would rather see 10,000 abortions than 10,000 unwanted children brought into the world to have an unhappy life...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 16, 08, 04:11 / #
Try telling that to a devout Catholic. Oops, I did it again, I mentioned it.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Dec 16, 08, 05:21 / #
F. shit. British must be crazy to do such things and even pay for that.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 16, 08, 05:26 / #
I wonder about the extent to which they conduct full investigations into the circumstances. The biggest problem they'd encounter is lying, falsifying the data. Although I believe the Polish position to be a bit strict, denying abortions where the mitigating circumstances may dictate it, it also safeguards more against abuse. I hate those who get abortions too cheaply because they've been careless. The Polish position encourages a more responsible attitude. However, the view here on contraception is a bit weird.

KowalskiThreads: 12 Posts: 619 Joined: Sep 13, 06	Dec 17, 08, 12:06 / #
Polish Federation for Women and Family Planning quoted by the SUN denies the figures on abortions. http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,235742_Polonia_znow_skarzy_sie_na_brytyjski e_media.html

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Dec 17, 08, 12:07 / #
Kowalski: Polish Federation for Women and Family Planning quoted by the SUN denies the figures on abortions What. The Sun was lying? Now there's a surprise

ArcticPaulThreads: 49 Posts: 245 Joined: Apr 7, 08	Dec 17, 08, 12:58 / #
wildrover: Its sad of course , but i would rather see 10,000 abortions than 10,000 unwanted children brought into the world to have an unhappy life... Most of these 'unwanted' babies would be totally loved by their mothers once they had been carried to full term and born. But I do agree with a womens right to chose. The alternative is frightened and desperate girls paying dishonest and untrained CRIMINALS' to terminate the pregnancy in god knows where for an operating room. Watch 'THE CIDER HOUSE RULES'. It always seems to be MEN that have fanatically rigid views against abortion.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Dec 17, 08, 13:01 / #
wildrover: 10,000 unwanted children There are more than 10,000 people who would adopt this "unwanted" child and give it a far better home than the parents can even imagine.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08	Edited by: Lodz_The_Boat Dec 17, 08, 14:44 / #
Seanus: Try telling that to a devout Catholic Morality doesnt come with condoms created by priests to display their authority. Abortions are a result of a deeper moral plague... If someone is inflicted... they can themselves face whatever is their due...no need for someone to stop people... krysia: adopt this "unwanted Not a solution. Sorry.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08	Dec 17, 08, 14:55 / #
Seanus: You can't make blank statements like that above I just made the statement. And its not blank. Needs indepth thought all over it.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 17, 08, 14:58 / #
You know, this is a delicate topic so I won't offend sensibilities or sensitivities. I just felt that you were taking too firm a line on an issue which requires a serious and critical examination of the circumstances. I agree, it needs in-depth thought and not blind dismissal.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 17, 08, 15:20 / #
Dumb enough to be raped? Come on, think about what I have been saying all along. I wouldn't like to grant an abortion either but there are cases where it is needed. What if the child was gonna be an evil, cult-loving satanist?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 17, 08, 14:47 / #
You can't make blank statements like that above, the plague reference. I'm neither pro, not anti abortion. Some abortions are warranted, many aren't.

loco polacoThreads: 3 Posts: 421 Joined: Aug 5, 08	Dec 17, 08, 15:02 / #
ArcticPaul: Most of these 'unwanted' babies would be totally loved by their mothers once they had been carried to full term and born. how the hell do you know "the most"? i bet the other way around. it takes a certqin mindset to have an abortion in the first place.. krysia: There are more than 10,000 people who would adopt this "unwanted" child and give it a far better home than the parents can even imagine. lol.. that's a farce used by the anti adoption crowd who tends to kill others to prove their point. Seanus: Some abortions are warranted, many aren't. in your view but hey, you're not the king nor the queen. seems maybe noimmi was right, eh? :D :D :D

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 17, 08, 15:05 / #
Yes, but in a democracy, I have freedom of expression within reason. Noimmi was right, co ty gadasz w ogóle?

DziadyThreads: - Posts: 63 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Edited by: Dziady Dec 17, 08, 15:13 / #
wildrover: Its sad of course , but i would rather see 10,000 abortions than 10,000 unwanted children brought into the world to have an unhappy life. Bizarre. Seanus: Try telling that to a devout Catholic. Oops, I did it again, I mentioned it. Or, you know, to anybody at all who finds the habit of sticking a blade and a vacuum into someone and wiping out what would have been a human being (regardless of when you feel life effectively begins -- it still would undoubtedly become a human being) because some other human beings were dumb enough to behave in such a way as to bring into being that future human being that they didn't want. Grzegorz_: British must be crazy to do such things and even pay for that. Yes, paying for the healthcare of the citizens of another country is crazy; absolutely agreed, but that's another topic. krysia: There are more than 10,000 people who would adopt this "unwanted" child and give it a far better home than the parents can even imagine. Probably, but almost as big of an issue is that the would-be parents don't want to be bothered in the short term in addition to the long term. Lodz_The_Boat: Not a solution. Sorry. To the problem of abortion, no. Is it a better solution to an unwanted pregnancy? You'd have a hard time gaining support from reasonable people that it isn't a better solution.

ArcticPaulThreads: 49 Posts: 245 Joined: Apr 7, 08	Edited by: ArcticPaul Dec 17, 08, 15:21 / #
loco polaco: how the hell do you know "the most"? i bet the other way around. it takes a certqin mindset to have an abortion in the first place I know because every woman who has a child, after first considering an abortion, loves the child and is thankful they decided against termination. How many mothers wish they had had an abortion after living with their child for a time? Virtually none. Why are you going out of your way to be as disagreeable and obnoxious as possible? Hell of a coincidence that the very similar posts of gtd stopped around the time yours started. knbohead

DziadyThreads: - Posts: 63 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Edited by: Dziady Dec 17, 08, 15:25 / #
Seanus: Dumb enough to be raped? Come on, think about what I have been saying all along. I wouldn't like to grant an abortion either but there are cases where it is needed. What if the child was gonna be an evil, cult-loving satanist? Apologists for abortion always like to suggest unusual and radical circumstances. Rape isn't characteristic of most abortions. An evil, cult-loving Satanist? Hmm, well, ;-) , what if your mother knew how you'd turn out...?

polishgirltx	Dec 17, 08, 15:28 / #
that's interesting that the conversation about abortion is continued among males, when the issue concerns women....

ArcticPaulThreads: 49 Posts: 245 Joined: Apr 7, 08	Dec 17, 08, 15:29 / #
ArcticPaul: It always seems to be MEN that have fanatically rigid views against abortion

DziadyThreads: - Posts: 63 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Edited by: Dziady Dec 17, 08, 15:39 / #
polishgirltx: when the issue concerns women.... It doesn't concern only women, though. It concerns men, too. ArcticPaul: ArcticPaul: It always seems to be MEN that have fanatically rigid views against abortion I knew you were going to quote yourself. What seems to be the case, though, is actually not true. Men and women are about equally proponents of life over abortion. Would you like a long list of statistical and literary support for this?

noimmigration	Dec 17, 08, 15:40 / #
polishgirltx: that's interesting that the conversation about abortion is continued among males, when the issue concerns women.... Its us men that suffer if the woman doesnt have an abortion. I find it funny when woman think that an unexpected child makes a man unhappy. secretly the man is thinking 'please let it be still born'

loco polacoThreads: 3 Posts: 421 Joined: Aug 5, 08	Edited by: loco polaco Dec 17, 08, 15:45 / #
Seanus: Noimmi was right, co ty gadasz w ogóle? polish whores. ;) ArcticPaul: How many mothers wish they had had an abortion after living with their child for a time? Virtually none. more then you seem to realise. i've also know a few chicas who had an abortion and none of them seem to regret doing that. hmm.. ArcticPaul: Why are you going out of your way to be as disagreeable and obnoxious as possible? that's only your opinion and i like to argue.. i am polish afterall.. ahahaha polishgirltx: that's interesting that the conversation about abortion is continued among males, when the issue concerns women.... no, actually it's about a kid or kids not women or men. think about it, eh? ArcticPaul: Hell of a coincidence that the very similar posts of gtd stopped around the time yours started. knbohead i have no idea who that is arsehole.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 17, 08, 16:48 / #
No, rape isn't characteristic of most abortions, exactly my point. That's why I'd grant them an abortion here. Again, some people here just pick on a point without reading the whole. Sorry, you have no place as a man to deny a raped woman an abortion. If you say otherwise, you need to check yourself and give yourself a shake. PLEASE, I'm asking politely, read what I write. I reiterate that I am neither pro, nor anti abortion. I also don't like abortion being cheapened by 10,000 applicants. Those who were raised to be anti-abortion.

noimmigration	Dec 17, 08, 16:54 / #
Under catholic doctrine unborn babies go to hell dont they ?

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Dec 17, 08, 17:02 / #
Having an NI number and a few months worth of work under your belt shouldn't mean you can access public services to such an extent. The "come one, come all" approach to immigration was always going to create problems like this.

DziadyThreads: - Posts: 63 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Dec 17, 08, 17:04 / #
noimmigration: Under catholic doctrine unborn babies go to hell dont they ? No. Mister H: Today, 17:02 Report #28 Having an NI number and a few months worth of work under your belt shouldn't mean you can access public services to such an extent. The "come one, come all" approach to immigration was always going to create problems like this. Agreed, for any country, that is. It's a different topic, though.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 17, 08, 17:06 / #
I agree, Mister H. Religion shouldn't dictate this approach. Getting a free abortion is gonna lead to an abuse of process, especially if you are from a country where abortion is illegal and, should you find a willing doctor, pay around 1000PLN. Responsibility is the name of the game.