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Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Feb 14, 08, 08:56 / #
Bill was signed !! working couples get 1200 plus 300 each kid... singles get 600 or less depending on how much you make.. Finally something good.. it doesnt make up for alot but it helps..

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Feb 14, 08, 10:20 / #
Yeah, but unfortunately it's only going to boost China's economy. This will just delay a recession. We cant just treat the symptoms, but cure the root cause.

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Feb 14, 08, 10:54 / #
You both make good points. Unfortunately I think there are far too many people in America these days who after years of being promised the same by their politicians (or in the case of the umpteen millions of illegal immigrants entering from primarily the southern border annually, their friends...) have come to expect a free ride. This is why American manufacturers go out of business because they cannot produce products for the same prices as they are made in China, which does not have to pay its workers the same if at all- I saw a very revealing program awhile back which was pretty damning against WalMart, for instance, which showed how it worked hand in hand with the Chinese, and could put a television set ON THE SHELF IN THE STORE for sale, for less than an American manufacturer could legally buy the materials to make it. Combine the two (people wanting something for nothing, and refusing to pay a fair price-people just don't like thinking that 12 year old girls are making their sneakers for $0.12 per hour...) and it is a huge burden on the rest of us who more and more start to wonder why we work day in and day out to pay for these losers.... sorry...off my soapbox now... John P.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Feb 14, 08, 11:21 / #
Bushes are just a tiny part of the economy - but their trade does usually suggest affluence or a good level of activity in the housing market. Not just bushes, but trees, herbaceous perennials, ornamental grasses, even water plants. Nothing to do with Bush's attempts to do anything - he knows bugger all about horticulture.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Feb 14, 08, 11:47 / #
Zgubiony wrote: Yeah, but unfortunately it's only going to boost China's economy. This will just delay a recession. We cant just treat the symptoms, but cure the root cause. yes.. this is another dumb dumb move by the shrubco machine... 'our' kids will be paying for this well after we're gone. and come on now.. what recession? lol JohnP wrote: pretty damning against WalMart, go to walmartwatch dot com sometime.. your head will explode.

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Feb 14, 08, 12:05 / #
Would you think the IRS will deduct $1200 of the the money I supposely owe them..lol Bush is a joke and this feeble attempt to boost the economy will only make the oil companies and China richer. Thanks China for those lead based toys and the killer pet food. And thanks Bush for selling out the country

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Feb 14, 08, 12:15 / #
sledz wrote: Would you think the IRS will deduct $1200 of the the money I supposely owe them..lol Actually, Sledz, I owed the govt. back when we got the last "gift" from them, and they just deducted what I was to receive from what I owed.

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Feb 14, 08, 13:06 / #
yeah but Russia is still 30 years behind

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Dice Feb 14, 08, 15:54 / #
Zgubiony wrote: Yeah, but unfortunately it's only going to boost China's economy. I was considering pros and cons of the Fair Tax, proposed by Huckabee and Paul. It accrued to me that in the age of the global market, where there is 0 taxes on foreign products, the Fair Tax would help level the chances for products made in the USA. Think about it - in the price of each product made here are hidden income taxes the employer has to pay for the employee. Now with the income tax eliminated and replaced by a 30% sales tax, product made in China has an equal burden with the U.S. made product.

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Feb 14, 08, 16:25 / #
WRT fair tax, I agree. As far as "Bush selling out the country" It was already sold by Carter and Clinton before he even had the chance...who do you think gave away the Panama canal? Why do you think Iran is not an ally (hint-bungling by a former US president) Who do you reckon gave China back most favored nation trade status, and signed orders giving China the entire US patent data base, including patents applied for? Yep, Clinton.... Guess who decided it was a good idea to combine the US, Mexican, and Canadian economies without enforcing across the board similarity in regulations? Yep, Bush Sr and Clinton... So while Bush has a lot of issues, he can't take all the credit here. Much of what we are feeling now predates him. John P.

RockyMasonThreads: 23 Posts: 303 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Feb 14, 08, 21:54 / #
Ur a moron don't mess with the IRS im an accounting major and i can tell u right now u don't just "supposedly" owe them. I give it a yr or 2 before they get it one way or another.(garnished wages) The IRS is ruthless they will **** u if u don't pay them! Its not like some stupid creditor! The IRS can jail u if u don't pay!

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Feb 14, 08, 22:28 / #
JohnP wrote: Why do you think Iran is not an ally nope.. it's US meddling in their affairs for many years preceeding 78 that did the relationship in. Dice wrote: Fair Tax, is fair to those who can afford it.. poor people would really feel the squeeze. JohnP wrote: Who do you reckon gave China back most favored nation trade status the REPUBLICAN congress. JohnP wrote: Yep, Bush Sr and Clinton... but jr is really pushing it RockyMason wrote: The IRS can jail u if u don't pay! there is no law that says you have to pay a dime, dumba$$. look into it.

RockyMasonThreads: 23 Posts: 303 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Feb 15, 08, 01:33 / #
OMG yep there is no law but if u don't pay they will garnish ur wages and u can go to jail ur one of those misinformed idiots i can't even argue with u omgah. irstaxattorney.com/lpage/back-taxes.html just in case u don't want to read it here u go For those who do not know, the “willful” failure to file a tax return could send you to jail for up to 5 years. If you file your tax returns voluntarily, no matter how late you file them, you will eliminate any possibility of going to jail for not filing your tax returns. There is very strong congressional tax policy encouraging taxpayers to file all tax returns. Nobody is prosecuted if tax returns are voluntarily filed, no matter how many years they have not been filed. For example, if a person has not filed tax returns for the past 10 years but decided to file all tax returns for all unfiled years, the IRS and the Department of Justice will not prosecute that person. No case can be brought against a taxpayer for the “willful failure to file” a tax return after the taxpayer has voluntarily filed tax returns for all unfiled years.

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Feb 15, 08, 22:42 / #
plk123 wrote: nope.. it's US meddling in their affairs for many years preceeding 78 that did the relationship in. Even with this POV, it STILL predates Bush jr. plk123 wrote: the REPUBLICAN congress. I'm not referring to one party or the other. It predates Bush jr, and FWIW Clinton asked them to do it. That was the days when congress and the president weren't both trying to rule the country each in spite of the other... plk123 wrote: but jr is really pushing it WRT the travesty at the US border and not-so-secret attempts to turn US, Canada, and Mexico into some sort of bastardized, poor version of the EU, I agree completely. It is one of the points where I vehemently oppose both the President and our current Congress, as they are all for it. I have no taste for globalists, but it appears that anyone who is not a globalist strangely gets little or no media coverage-and if he/she does, is branded "A favorite of the evangelical right" or some such (as if they had any clue why people vote--hint-most folks don't go to church to ask who they should vote for...) John P.

Arien	Edited by: Arien Feb 16, 08, 01:55 / #
Not that it's any of my bussiness, but if I were an American, I would really want to vote for either Hillary, or Obama..

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Feb 16, 08, 05:50 / #
You cant buck the market. Lowering interest rates to try and spend you way out of recession is crazy economics. Its Kerviel economics.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 8, 08, 17:45 / #
The big financiers can bail America out at any time. The sizeable national debt can be written off with ease by the Zionist factions.

shopgirlThreads: 7 Posts: 1,446 Joined: Apr 6, 07	Mar 8, 08, 17:51 / #
Republicans run up the national debt, Dems pay it down. Isn't that how it usually goes?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 8, 08, 17:56 / #
Well, yeah, but Bush knows his back is covered. Iraq is one huge moneyspinner.

RockyMasonThreads: 23 Posts: 303 Joined: Nov 20, 07	Mar 8, 08, 18:58 / #
Bush's back has been covered alot from the beginning! Remember the uncounted black votes in Florida? At the time his brother was governor of that state!!!! His family has friends in high places everywhere. Bush is just a puppet. The scary part is we don't know who the puppetier is!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 8, 08, 19:00 / #
Well, I think I do!!

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Mar 8, 08, 19:23 / #
I wonder who the Puppet Master is? LOL

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 8, 08, 19:25 / #
Cheney has a hand at the government level but he is a pawn in the hands of 'higher forces'.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 9, 08, 01:31 / #
szkotja2007 wrote: Lowering interest rates to try and spend you way out of recession is crazy economics. Exactly. America simply can't stay the world’s economic hegemon but with things like this one, you may think that they are going to fall down much lower than this is necessary.

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Mar 9, 08, 05:05 / #
sledz wrote: oil companies If you elect an "oil barron" Pres, then the oil companies will be very rich. If said oil barron then appoints an "arms dealer" Vice Pres, you then have war. That takes Clinton's very healthy "in the black" economy to your current Bush/Cheney trillion $ deficit. It's not rocket science!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 9, 08, 14:26 / #
Watch 9/11 The Zionist Order on Youtube, this reveals much that many don't know about

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Dice Mar 9, 08, 14:34 / #
Seanus wrote: Watch 9/11 The Zionist Order on Youtube, this reveals much that many don't know about And don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat while you're doing that!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 9, 08, 14:36 / #
What does that have to do with it Dice?

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Dice Mar 9, 08, 14:41 / #
The tinfoil hat will protect you from those evil Americans reading your brain-waives using a little chip they have installed in your head when you were born, these evil imperialist Zionist bustards! Didn't you know that??? What's wrong with you, it's all over YouTube!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 9, 08, 14:43 / #
I just wanted to hear you say it, I heard all about it long ago from my Scottish informed friend and also from Russo last night on Youtube. I watch Youtube stuff every day, that included

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