NO VISAS to Canada for Poles in the near future

Quoting: z_darius

With low natural population increase Canada is in neeed of immigrants in general. The unemployment is at its 30 year lowest. There is plenty of work for skilled and unskilled persons, but recent immigration laws make it hard for the unskilled to obtain permenent residency status. For skilled we need engineers, technical and medical personnel. Yup, there is a great shortage of doctors and nurses. The unskilled may find work in construction, farming and some service areas. Minimum wage in Ontario is CDN$8 (US$8.80 at the present time) and they plan to increase to CDN$10.00, in the next year or so. Cost of living here is lower than in the UK, and comparably lower than in Poland, so this may be actually a half decent proposition for the unskilled, as farms and some construction outfits have tradionally paid in cash (under the table). Also, many unskilled jobs (including farms and construction) are available year roun

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 12, 07, 06:24 / #
URL the article is in POLISH though

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Nov 12, 07, 06:41 / #
Canada is ok ;)

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 12, 07, 07:05 / #
Quoting: Lukasz Canada is ok ;) yes it is, but I suspect that it may have something to do with the growing need for more "illegal" contruction workers since this bussiness is booming:). Just a guess. We will see:) It would also be good for reuniting families, whose members went into "hiding" after thier visas expired.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 12, 07, 07:35 / #
Quoting: miranda yes it is, but I suspect that it may have something to do with the growing need for more "illegal" contruction workers since this bussiness is booming:). Just a guess. With low natural population increase Canada is in neeed of immigrants in general. The unemployment is at its 30 year lowest. There is plenty of work for skilled and unskilled persons, but recent immigration laws make it hard for the unskilled to obtain permenent residency status. For skilled we need engineers, technical and medical personnel. Yup, there is a great shortage of doctors and nurses. The unskilled may find work in construction, farming and some service areas. Minimum wage in Ontario is CDN$8 (US$8.80 at the present time) and they plan to increase to CDN$10.00, in the next year or so. Cost of living here is lower than in the UK, and comparably lower than in Poland, so this may be actually a half decent proposition for the unskilled, as farms and some construction outfits have tradionally paid in cash (under the table). Also, many unskilled jobs (including farms and construction) are available year round. A side note; I heard a couple years ago about some modest and very plemininary interest of some politicians in Canada joining EU. I don't think any talks are happening on any serious level of government, but wouldn't that be neat.

miranda	Nov 12, 07, 07:56 / #
Quoting: z_darius A side note; I heard a couple years ago about some modest and very plemininary interest of some politicians in Canada joining EU. I don't think any talks are happening on any serious level of government, but wouldn't that be neat. Who?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 12, 07, 07:59 / #
Quoting: miranda Who? I don't remember :) It was about 2 years ago during some political discussion on CBC.

miranda	Nov 12, 07, 08:03 / #
Quoting: z_darius It was about 2 years ago during some political discussion on CBC. Interesting. I personally feel overwhelmed at times,since I try to keep up with Canadian, Polish and lately British news. It is almost like a full time job;)

miranda	Nov 12, 07, 08:04 / #
Quoting: z_darius With low natural population increase Canada is in neeed of immigrants in general. The unemployment is at its 30 year lowest. There is plenty of work for skilled and unskilled persons, but recent immigration laws make it hard for the unskilled to obtain permenent residency status. For skilled we need engineers, technical and medical personnel. Yup, there is a great shortage of doctors and nurses. The unskilled may find work in construction, farming and some service areas. Minimum wage in Ontario is CDN$8 (US$8.80 at the present time) and they plan to increase to CDN$10.00, in the next year or so. Cost of living here is lower than in the UK, and comparably lower than in Poland, so this may be actually a half decent proposition for the unskilled, as farms and some construction outfits have tradionally paid in cash (under the table). Also, many unskilled jobs (including farms and construction) are available year roun agree, athough coming from teh government is is all about cutting costs and bringing in more spenders to boost the economy.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 12, 07, 08:12 / #
Quoting: miranda agree, athough coming from teh government is is all about cutting costs and bringing in more spenders to boost the economy. Sure, it's all about economy, about the only real indicator politicians can use to make their egotistic claims, or to attack the claims of other politicians :) Still, the fact remains that, especially in medical fields, Canada is capable of accepting a lot of immigrants. These days, a nurse going to a job interview is in fact the person in charge, while the prospective employer is waiting anxiously for the candidate's decision to accept the offer.

miranda	Nov 12, 07, 09:13 / #
Quoting: z_darius Still, the fact remains that, especially in medical fields, Canada is capable of accepting a lot of immigrants. yes, as long as they have Canadian qualifications, which means going back to school in case of nurses for 4 years now at uni level, which means; loans, loans, loans.

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Edited by: hello Nov 12, 07, 10:09 / #
Now this is what I call a government that actually has enough brains to think about the future. Poles as group of people are IDEAL to be invited and live in another country: - they are hardworking, - they pay taxes, follow the laws of the country they live in, - they are intelligent and honest at the same time, - they like buying goods and services - even the most luxurious ones, which drive the economy, - they are religious, - they aren't violent, aren't into drugs etc. The US government still doesn't get it and prefers their country to become another Mexican or Puerto-Rican state where people don't spend money (but send them abroad), avoid paying taxes, and are likely to commit crimes (with all due respect to other nations). But soon the US may wise up and will be sending free invitations to Poles just for them to settle in the US.. Again, congratulations to Canada and their government, it's a good and long-term investment in your country.

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Nov 12, 07, 10:32 / #
Quoting: plk123 that sucks. thanks for the linky though. Why does it suck, plk? I cannot read the Polish article, but from what others wrote, I understand it to mean that Polish people will no longer need a visa to go to Canada? Please correct me if I am wrong, as I may have totally misunderstood.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 12, 07, 10:35 / #
Quoting: hello The US government still doesn't get it and prefers their country to become another Mexican or Puerto-Rican state where people don't spend money (but send them abroad), avoid paying taxes, and are likely to commit crimes (with all due respect to other nations). If Canada had borers with Mexico, the situation would be similar. I also think that the problem with Mexico and Puerto Rico goes back to the times when USA wasn't that nice to those natinalities ( I am being diplomatic). Comparing Canadian and American immrgation policies doesn't make sense, because those 2 countries differ in geo-political situation. Quoting: hello But soon the US may wise up and will be sending free invitations to Poles just for them to settle in the US. that will not solve problems with Mexican immigrants which I think has been out of control for a reason on US part. Quoting: hello Again, congratulations to Canada and their government, it's a good and long-term investment in your country. I am a sceptic by nature, so I belive it when I see it:) Quoting: hello - they are hardworking,- they pay taxes, follow the laws of the country they live in,- they are intelligent and honest at the same time,- they like buying goods and services - even the most luxurious ones, which drive the economy,- they are religious,- they aren't violent, aren't into drugs etc. I really doubt that Canadian immigration was taking into consideration the above when deciding to let Poles in.

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Nov 12, 07, 10:41 / #
Quoting: miranda I really doubt that Canadian immigration was taking into consideration the above when deciding to let Poles in. I don't know why not? The government don't need lazy people who stay on unemployment benefits, pay no or little tax, use free health care. They need entrepreneurs who set up their own companies, pay big taxes, can afford their health insurance, follow the law, ... and send their kids to school to do the same in the future. If needed, Poles can be great cleaning people/construction workers or doctors and engineers - you name it.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 12, 07, 09:26 / #
Quoting: miranda yes, as long as they have Canadian qualifications, which means going back to school in case of nurses for 4 years now at uni level, which means; loans, loans, loans. Not really. That has changed last year. Qualified medical personnel arriving from other countries (including Poland) will have to take a course or two to make sure the local standrads are clear to the newcomers, but it's nowhere near 4 years of school.

miranda	Nov 12, 07, 09:55 / #
Quoting: z_darius but it's nowhere near 4 years of school. OK- I am out of touch then. Does that include nurses and doctors?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 12, 07, 09:57 / #
Quoting: miranda Does that include nurses and doctors? Yup, both, but people from some countries will find the process easier than from others. It looks good for Polish nurses and doctors.

miranda	Nov 12, 07, 10:05 / #
Quoting: z_darius It looks good for Polish nurses and doctors. that's good news for Polish then. Thanks D.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Nov 12, 07, 10:28 / #
Quoting: miranda NO VISAS to Canada for Poles in the near future that sucks. thanks for the linky though.

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Nov 12, 07, 10:32 / #
Quoting: plk123 that sucks. In Polish Radio in the US they claim otherwise - that Poles will have no visa requirements to Canada in about 8 months.

miranda	Nov 12, 07, 10:51 / #
Quoting: Ranj as I may have totally misunderstood. they are talking about it and no agreement has been reached yet:)

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Nov 18, 07, 02:44 / #
Quoting: miranda he US government still doesn't get it and prefers their country to become another Mexican or Puerto-Rican state where people don't spend money (but send them abroad), avoid paying taxes, and are likely to commit crimes (with all due respect to other nati I get it and it is logical for the American Government. There are millions of illegal workers from these other Latin American workers who are in things such as the service industries working without a 'Green Card'' and the authorities turn mainly a 'blind eye' to such practices. The Latin Aerican table layers and room cleaners work for low wages and pay taxes but are not entitled to long term state benefits in old age in return, such as government old age pensions which, over many years in retirement, costs the State a small fortune.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Nov 18, 07, 02:47 / #
Quoting: Lukasz anada is ok ;) No, it is not. I have been to Poland and my wife has friends who have even returned from Canada to Poland to live. They found it too cold! The winters in Canada can be dreadful. Florida would be nice and Australia too but the winters in Canada? It must be like a postman's delivery round in Siberia!

North Pole	Nov 18, 07, 03:39 / #
NO VISAS to Canada for Poles in the near future Gee... who cares? What else yo got? And I`am not talking about electirc teasers.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Nov 18, 07, 04:43 / #
I suppose once they get in to Canada, it will be easy for the Poles to cross the boarder and enter the U.S.A. too.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 18, 07, 09:23 / #
Quoting: Michal I have been to Poland and my wife has friends who have even returned from Canada to Poland to live. They found it too cold! The winters in Canada can be dreadful. Winters in Canada are similar to Winters in Poland. In both countries they can be dreadful. My sister considered moving to Canada a few years ago. She and her husband found Summers here way too hot, so they stay in Normandy. Quoting: Michal Florida would be nice Yeah, outside hurricane season, that is. And due to some of the highest crime rates on the continent, preferably in closed communities. Quoting: Michal once they get in to Canada, it will be easy for the Poles to cross the boarder and enter the U.S.A. too After a couple years of residence in Canada, there are sually no problems with US visas for Poles, and then with the Canadian citizenship it's automatic. Quoting: Michal The Latin Aerican table layers and room cleaners work for low wages and pay taxes but are not entitled to long term state benefits in old age in return, such as government old age pensions which, over many years in retirement, costs the State a small fortune. Actually, they are entitiled to pensions if they pay taxes. They are also entitled to schools, medical care etc (contrary to popular belief outside the US). As for the cost to the State, I wouldn't call it a small fortune. It is a huge amount of money that, together with ongoing social payments are estimated to run into trillions of dollars. Remember, the low income persons usually use up in benefits more than they contribute.

Shawn_H	Nov 18, 07, 12:42 / #
Quoting: z_darius Qualified medical personnel arriving from other countries (including Poland) will have to take a course or two to make sure the local standrads are clear to the newcomers Compounding this is the need to pass a TOEFL test (for "general" language knowledge), and also unerstanding of "Technical Language" knowledge...

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Nov 18, 07, 21:49 / #
I wouldn't consider TOEFL a big deal. From what I hear, right now it takes 1 to 2 years to have all the qualifications recognized. Sure, it's a year or two lost, but then, when you emigrate there are some costs other than just money.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Nov 19, 07, 00:01 / #
Quoting: Ranj Why does it suck, plk? I cannot read the Polish article, but from what others wrote, I understand it to mean that Polish people will no longer need a visa to go to Canada? Please correct me if I am wrong, as I may have totally misunderstood. oops. my bad.. i must've just scanned the headline and and read it as no visas, like US... in fact, they are working on opening the border wider which is aok. :)

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,990 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Nov 19, 07, 04:24 / #
For some reason I'm leary of it. I worry that it's just big business lobbying the gov't to try and get more workers to come in and work on the cheap. I am probably just being a worry wart, as you'd have to wonder who'd pay the huge expense to travel so far and then be taken advantage of. However, I categorically do NOT trust the government to ever make decisions which are in the best interests of the people.