POLISH-AMERICANS WARY of OBAMA's PRO-HOMOSEXUAL SLANT?

Polonius3:

The problem is that promoting, even glamourising homosexuality (as the entertainment media are wont to do these days) -- a peripheral segment of any society -- among unsuspecting children, portraying it as a legitimate, equal option without informing the public that this is a HIGH-RISK GROUP, can cause irreparable damage to individuals, families and society as a whole.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 26, 08, 09:52 / #
Many Polish Americans voted for Obama out of habit and tradition, since they still equate the Democratic Party with workers and immigrants. Others felt he would do something to solve the economic crisis. But now many are having second thoughts after the president-elect has unveiled his strong pro-homosexual platform. According to the statement, Barack Obama will push through legislation allowing homosexual marriage that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples, including adoption rights. According to Obama, "a child will benefit from a healthy and loving home, whether the parents are gay or not." The plan also includes the homosexual indoctrination of and distribution of free condoms to schoolchildren as well as abortions for minors without parental consent. A needle-exchange program is envisaged as a way of combating AIDS, and the legalisaiton of partial-birth abortion cannot be far behind. What do those on this Forum who voted for Obama think about this?

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Edited by: hello Nov 26, 08, 10:31 / #
He had better take care of the economy and the issue of homosexuals should be on the bottom of the last page. If he pushes for abortion then he should be aware the abortion law will be mostly implemented on blacks and he'd better think twice to do that for his own good.

TheKrukThreads: 5 Posts: 389 Joined: Apr 14, 07	Edited by: TheKruk Nov 26, 08, 11:37 / #
These are all necessary. With the exception of the details of the last. Most civilised nations recognize gay marriage whats the big deal? It is just a "hot button" issue to disguise the real problems, when people have trouble finding jobs and the bills pile up, they could care less if Bob and Bruce want to get married. Obama is what America wants and needs. I don't believe many are having second thoughts, if you voted for Obama you should have known he was pro gay marriage. It is no surprise. We must recognize homosexuals are in the world, always have been always will be. Time for tolerance, peace and unity.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 26, 08, 11:59 / #
Those who voted for Obama were aware of his pro-homo positon but many did not think this aspect would be so high up so soon on his agenda what with the economic crisis. The problem is that promoting, even glamourising homosexuality (as the entertainment media are wont to do these days) -- a peripheral segment of any society -- among unsuspecting children, portraying it as a legitimate, equal option without informing the public that this is a HIGH-RISK GROUP, can cause irreparable damage to individuals, families and society as a whole. In Poland one-third of a cigrette packet by law must be plastered with harsh health warnings: SMOKING KILLS, SMOKING CAUSES CANCER AND HEART ATTACKS, etc., etc. so why is so little said about practising homosexuals having a life expectancy 20-25 years below average? That is the result of not only AIDS, but also a higher level of subtance abuse and domestic violence. The favourite sexual practice of male homosexuals is a bacteriological bomb. Just try to imagine the actual practice of sodomy, and the threat exists depsite all the condoms and rubber gloves! Everyone should have to freedom to smoke, drink or sodomise, but why are the health warnings in the latter case being suppressed?

TheKrukThreads: 5 Posts: 389 Joined: Apr 14, 07	Nov 26, 08, 12:06 / #
good points Polonius3, sex education all around is lacking in the usa. this May be due to our strange Puritanical roots. I don't know if the dangers of sodomy are being repressed though.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 26, 08, 12:09 / #
Have you ever seen a GO GAY & DIE YOUNG notice, warning, placard, billboard, T-shirt or TV spot?

TheKrukThreads: 5 Posts: 389 Joined: Apr 14, 07	Nov 26, 08, 12:27 / #
Well no, but I have seen many HIV warnings. but "Go gay" brings us to the everlasting "is being gay a choice" debate. There were many more warnings during the AIDS scare of the 1980's.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 26, 08, 16:44 / #
The HIV/AIDS connection is well known and has been pharmacologically contained to some extent since the 1980s. But there are slew of other sexually transmitted infections, some known only to the same-gender community, as well as a growing incidence of the old standby STDs such as gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia. The UK in particular have recorded a significant increase in recent years. In addition, substance abuse is widespread in the homosexual community. This in turn contributes to reckless sexual behaviour, including gay rape, barebacking, rimming and bisexual activity which spreads the STDs to the general community. How many normal women would copulate with someone who had openly admitted their bisexual activity, so thst information is often suppressed? The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs reports that 2 in 5 gay or bisexual men may experience domestic violence. Additionally, following STDs, substance abuse and domestic violence are the second and third largest problems facing the gay community. (Incidentally, STDs are less frequently transmitted by lesbians who do not engage in biosexual activity.) Those interested in the problem should visit http://www.sayno.com/substance-abuse-and-domestic-violence.html but there is a wealth of other research findings and medical evidence on the net. Forget the bible-thumping Baptist rantings found here and there -- mostly sales pitches for donations anyway. Hard, well-documented scientifc evidence with no commercial angle should suffice.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Nov 26, 08, 16:48 / #
You love typing all that stuff about sodomy leading to drug-fuelled orgies of filth spreading disease and all that s***, don't you? GET THEE TO CONFESSION!

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 26, 08, 17:44 / #
No, Osioł, but it's a shame that the nitty-gritty of the propblem is being purposely glossed over by the very clever, effective and ubiquitous pro-homo propaganda machine, and most of mainstream society simply goes with the flow. This is esp. dangerous when school children and teens are shown the , "cool", colourful gay lifestyle -- pride parades with baloons, feathers, flowers and streamers, lipsticked hunks masquerading as women in wigs and bras and trendy techno rhythms thumping away -- but are not warned about thje risks and threats involved. Homophobia, anti-Semitism and racism are becoming muzzling buzz-words. Anyone who disagrees with agenda of these influential, well-bankrolled pressure groups immediately gets smeared and labelled. That discourages the faint-hearted from exploring the facts and speaking out.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 26, 08, 17:47 / #
Hey, products are cool and colourfully presented. It's called expression. Dangerous, no, what is dangerous is religious fanatics getting hold of power.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Nov 26, 08, 18:29 / #
I agree about the problem of starting official sex education that young. I think I probably learnt much of what I learnt about sex from David Attenborough narrating nature documentaries. Polonius, there are one or two areas where you have a point. But homosexuality is not about extravagance and debauchery, it is about a form of human love that, like the much bigger heterosexual thing - isn't always, but should be about consensual relationships between couples built on the human need for love. I think it's hardly suprising that some homosexual relationships may involve some form of domestic violence - domestic violence is usually perpetrated by men, so in a two-man relationship, it is perhaps just as possible as in a more typical mixed sex relationship. The spread of diseases, especially HIV-AIDS by the intravenous use of drugs is not some big gay party thing. It is a real problem in society at large, and I wonder whether you are pointing the finger at gays because you are particularly interested in blaming them for as many of society's ills as you can to detract from the real causes of such problems, which are almost infinitely more complex. Go ahead - be racist, homophobic, antisemitic and the rest. I don't need to be brainwashed by anyone to make me think that it makes you a very sad person indeed. No-one ever solved any problems with wool pulled over their eyes. I think the wool is over yours, not mine.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Edited by: krysia Nov 26, 08, 18:38 / #
Does that mean I can marry my dog? If being gay isn't against the law of nature and it's not being racist, then I can marry my dog. So there. Merry Christmas.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Nov 26, 08, 18:57 / #
krysia: Does that mean I can marry my dog? If being gay isn't against the law of nature and it's not being racist, then I can marry my dog. That depends. Consent is a prerequisite of marriage. Can your canine fiancee speak or write? AFAIK barking and humping strangers' legs don't count as legal consent so it looks like your love will have to remain unconsumated (or be carried on outside the bonds of marriage). You have my sympathies.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Nov 26, 08, 18:12 / #
Polonius3: What do those on this Forum who voted for Obama think about this? I didn't vote for him but he also plans on teaching 5-year old kindergarden children about sex education. I have a 5 year old and there are more important things in his life at this age than learn about how to have sex. Let children be children. they don't need to muddle their minds with adult situations. Idiot Obama. Don't like a single thing about him.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,972 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Edited by: Patrycja19 Nov 26, 08, 21:19 / #
Polonius3: No, Osioł, but it's a shame that the nitty-gritty of the propblem is being purposely glossed over by the very clever, effective and ubiquitous pro-homo propaganda machine, and most of mainstream society simply goes with the flow. polonius, I dont know where you get this info, hes not even in office so he cant do anything yet but address. Ive been hearing a stimulus plan over and over so I think your getting your info from third party tossers.. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/President44/story?id=6320498&page=1 I found this, but it shows nothing of condoms given to children, same sex couple adoptions etc.. more for discrimination. where did you find that other information? http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/24/transition.wrap/index.html http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/11/obama-on-mtv-i.html and here it states his views, which his response was not uncommon, but no where does it say hes going to unveil anything of the sort.. show us some links.. if your going to debate on this.. I like Obama, hes getting them moving, picking his team.. already my renewal on my mortgage is loweing along with taxes, something they werent willing to do as o recently.. I wont say its obama doing it, but this is a first for me.. Obama isnt a greedy politician.. I think hes going to shake washington up some :)

SoftsongThreads: 6 Posts: 588 Joined: Sep 2, 07	Nov 27, 08, 04:27 / #
Yes....and while I may feel uncomfortable seeing two people of the same sex together. Deep down I know that homosexuals have always been a steady percentage of the general population. I believe about 10%. This is just the way it is. Some people fear that you create more by being tolerant. No so. You just are that way. I've seen textbooks of "women" happily married and childless find out that they are really a man. No unhappiness about being trapped in a female body. Just shock. From the biblical standpoint, would God punish this person for living with a husband? Biology produces some things that are different. Does a person have to get punished for a biological difference? It seems more and more science supports the idea of a difference biologically rather than a choice. A female friend who is gay told me, "Why would I choose to be something that people make fun of, or despise." I'd prefer to feel like others, but this is something that just is. I do know how uncomfortable things like this can make us in our own identities. We fear being different, going against the natural order, etc. But really, any pro-gay laws has no impact on making more homosexuals. It just allows those who are to live their lives with less stigma.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 27, 08, 06:15 / #
Plans to support the demands of the increasingly powerful gay lobby are found in the official Obama transiton-team website: http://change.gov/agenda/civil_rights_agenda/ Naturally, his intentions are couched in fine-sounding rhetoric such as combating "hate crimes". The problem is that anyone who even dares to hold views different than those of influential, lavishly bankrolled pressure groups can be accused of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist hate crimes. It has been said that someone pointing out that a Jewish tenor is singing off-key may be accused of anti-Semitism.

miranda	Nov 27, 08, 06:26 / #
osiol: Go ahead - be racist, homophobic, antisemitic and the rest. I don't need to be brainwashed by anyone to make me think that it makes you a very sad person indeed. No-one ever solved any problems with wool pulled over their eyes. I think the wool is over yours, not mine. could not write it better myself, thanks Osiol.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 27, 08, 06:46 / #
krysia: Does that mean I can marry my dog? I think you are confusing homosexuality with zoosexuality! URL Now if we could find out if the poor things did it for fun or just for some more hay and a barn roof over their heads...

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Nov 27, 08, 07:23 / #
Polonius3: The problem is that promoting, even glamourising homosexuality (as the entertainment media are wont to do these days) -- a peripheral segment of any society -- among unsuspecting children, portraying it as a legitimate, equal option without informing the public that this is a HIGH-RISK GROUP, can cause irreparable damage to individuals, families and society as a whole. How f*cking stupid are you? You don't know much about homosexuality do you?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 27, 08, 07:54 / #
Polonius3: can cause irreparable damage to individuals, families and society as a whole. What damage? Are they going blind from watching a gay porn???

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 27, 08, 09:17 / #
I do know that gay is a misnomer, since this is the saddest, sorriest, most pitiful group around, all the make-up, provocative grins, feathers and other trappings notwithstanding. Any group that has a higher substance-abuse rate, suicide rate, average relationships of 2 years (as opposed to 12 for heteros), much higher promiscuity index (no. of parnters in a lifetime), higher STD rate and shorter life expectancy is a troubled group indeed. And now they want to adopt orphans and subejct them to such surroundings. Don't believe me -- check out the gay-health-concern websites or reliable medical research. It's all out there for the asking. Or you can stick your head in the sand or listen only to the prettied-up, cleverly worded pro-homo propaganda. The choice is yours!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 27, 08, 09:30 / #
Polonius3: I do know that gay is a misnomer, since this is the saddest, sorriest, most pitiful group around, Is someone forcing you??? What does it concern you....are you "irreparable damaged" now???

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Edited by: sledz Nov 27, 08, 09:31 / #
Patrycja19: I dont know where you get this info, hes not even in office so he cant do anything yet but address. Ive been hearing a stimulus plan over and over so I think your getting your info from third party tossers.. I havent heard anything about it either...But it does say something to that effect on that Obama website. I dont like this idea of children being brought up to believe the gay life style to be normal. And these parades where they prance around half naked and simulate sexual acts should be banned also.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 27, 08, 10:26 / #
Bratwurstfresser! Does someone have to dump garbage into your back garden for you to become concerned about toxic wastes? Or other environemtnal concerns, the crime rate (even though you have not been a victim recently), or what school chidlren are taught or whether "recreational" drugs should be legalised, etc., etc.?I guess some people do not see beyond the ends of their own noses. If you can't eat, drink, wear drive or f*** it, who cares!? But I do understand why you may be surprised by some of this information -- because it's something new, it's not what the general public is exposed to, it's not the Hollywoodised version of reality. Unless you dismiss the findings of US government specialists, read on: In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005 (based on data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM [1, 2]. The number of HIV diagnoses for MSM decreased during the 1980s and 1990s, but recent surveillance data show an increase in HIV diagnoses for this group [3, 4]. Additionally, racial disparities exist with regard to HIV diagnoses within the MSM population. A recent study, conducted in 5 large US cities, found that HIV prevalence among black MSM (46%) was more than twice that among white MSM (21%) [5]. The recent overall increase in HIV diagnoses for MSM, coupled with racial disparities, strongly points to a continued need for appropriate prevention and education services tailored for specific subgroups of MSM, especially those who are members of minority races/ethnicities. CDC. HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, 2005. Vol. 17. Rev ed. Atlanta: US Department of Health and Human Services, CDC: 2007:1–46. Accessed June 28, 2007.

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Nov 27, 08, 11:40 / #
Polonius3 Country, city: US Sterling Heigths, MI Do you really expect people to take you seriously, when you can't even type the location on your profile correctly? Stop fishing for replies and f*ck off you complete moron.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Nov 27, 08, 11:53 / #
IronsE11: How f*cking stupid are you? You don't know much about homosexuality do you It doesn't take much to see that's against nature. How can two guys have kids? There are people concerned about global population, so for them it's the perfect solution. Let gays be gay but don't let them promote that their sexual acts are normal behaviour. Because it's not.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 27, 08, 12:17 / #
Polonius3: Bratwurstfresser! Does someone have to dump garbage into your back garden for you to become concerned about toxic wastes? Homos are to blame for global warming and destroying the ozonosphere??? UP AND GET'EM!!! ...now where did I put my torch...

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Nov 27, 08, 14:47 / #
krysia: It doesn't take much to see that's against nature. Fine words from someone who is publicly on record as wanting to marry a dog.....