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tonykennyThreads: 21
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Hi All,

As one or two of you may know, I have my unappreciative and disrespectful ex staying with my whilst she "looks for her own place". I kindly offered her accommodation for 2 months whilst she was supposed to find a job and a room. This has not happened and she continues to be a bit of a 'princess' living of me and being as nasty as she can.

So, the final straw, I told her she has to move out before the end of the month. This was greeted with laughter and the word 'maybe'.

As she points out, she is listed on the contract as living here, but is not a signatury to this contract so I can't just move and leave her with the rent. In England, this would mean that she was a lodger and I can force her to leave, with police assistance if neccessary, without notice. Can anybody advise me what the law is in Poland? How can I get this parasite out of my hair? I am at the stage where I will be happy to use police assistance, even if that results in arrest.

Her name appears on the contract where it says: "najemca ma prawo używać lokalu wyłącznie na cele mieszkaniowe dla " in addition to the contract holder (myself).

any advice will be greatly appreciated

thanks

Tony
SeanBMThreads: 41
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tonykenny:

As she points out, she is listed on the contract as living here, but is not a signatury to this contract

Just a few questions,
Is she pregnant or does she have a child?
And is she legally registered in the apartment?
People in Poland have to be registered at an address, if she is with child and registered in the flat, it can be very difficult to legally throw her out.

tonykenny:

In England

Forget English law.

tonykenny:

any advice will be greatly appreciated

Rip up the contract, throw her stuff out on the street and change the locks.

As you might have guessed I am not a lawyer and I do not know polish law that well.
ash1972Threads: 3
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SeanBM:

As you might have guessed I am not a lawyer and I do not know polish law that well.


But presumably you can just bribe someone?
tonykennyThreads: 21
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If anybody has any serious answers I really need to hear them. At the minute, I have this girl who is point blank refusing the leave despite my being the person who pays the rent and allowed her to live here out of pure kindness with nothing in return.
Now she's refusing to leave and being very bithcy about it - even threatening to call the police and say I threatened her!

Seriously, I have to get her out, now and legally.

Thanks

Tony
wildroverThreads: 180
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tonykenny:

Seriously, I have to get her out, now and legally


Been there done that...its a nightmare....if there is no other way get your own ass out of there and leave her to it....trust me , its going to get worse , just get out of it before something happens that could screw up your whole life....In the meantime get your self a tape recorder that fits in your pocket with a mini mike...at least you will have some evidence of her doings if she runs to the Police telling tales of you being the bad boy......you have to end this...the sooner the better....
tonykennyThreads: 21
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I will be avoiding helping people in the future - this is the thanks! Whatevr i do to help her, it's all complaints, then even if I apologise she won't let it go, has to find a wound and shove a finger inside it.
I've never shouted at a woman before - tonight I snapped and shouted very loud - twice! I never ever thought I'd be driven to that... just talking with a previous partner, she's shocked that I shouted too, says she tried several times to get me angry and never could... says she could get no negative response from me, i would always talk about the problem or go quiet
tonykennyThreads: 21
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I'm going to get legal advice tomorrow but I know that as soon as I put her out, she's going to call the Police with soem story that I threatened to kill her - she will try her best to take me down - this I know 10000%
mafketisThreads: 17
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My best advice is to talk to the people you're renting from. Chances are they'll be as eager to get rid of her as you are.

Dont expect much from the legal system: Maybe see lawyer but put your expectations on very low. Polish law is drafted to benefit Poles over foreigners in terms of housing. Plus unless you're pretty fluent in Polish you wont get much help. Most Polish lawyers' English is limited to "Polish regulations say [you're screwed]" if you know Polish well enough you can get past this, but otherwise you're defenseless.

One thing that might work in your favor (but which is probably pretty alien to you) is the power of gossip and reputation. You need to ruin hers (probably worse than being arrested but she's brining it on herself).

I'd contact her parents and ask why they didn't do a better job of raising her and do they have good idea of what kind of shame she's bringing on them?

Also mention to anyone you come across in the neighborhood that she's a freeloading parasite. Hint that you suspect she's moonlighting as a prostitute and that you're scared of what her dangerous acquaintances could do.
Mention how much you regret ever knowing such a person (old ladies are your best allies here).
tonykennyThreads: 21
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mafketis:

Mention how much you regret ever knowing such a person


This is more true that I could ever explain. yes, i see the Polish ways of doing things is a little strange and I wouldn't normally dream of being nasty, but now, I'm happy to have her arrested to take her away and I will be trying to contact her father who thinks she's had a room of her own all this time that he's been paying for!!

As for her reputation, she has the gossip gift really well and if she gets to people before me then they hate me. But, having been here 2 months, I've got a looong list of friends, I think about 30 now... she's made 1 that iI know of and spends weekends in the flat at night! So maybe justice finds its own way
tonykennyThreads: 21
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OK, the advice I received is:

1) The contract states that I, the contract holder, have permission to allow 'her' to stay here. She has no contractural right to remain.

2) The landlady says that if I like, she can drop in a new contract with her name totally removed, enabling me to evict her immediately.

But, as she has many things packed already, it looks like she had plans, but I'll still keep the pressure on in case she's bluffing.

cheers

life is looking up!

T
tonykennyThreads: 21
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OK, it gets worse... now i have threats of "accidents" happening to me... geez, you help somebody and this is the thanks... all because I gave her 2 months free accommodation and at the end of the 2 months she refuses to move... now I'm the bad guy
wildroverThreads: 180
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tonykenny:

now i have threats of "accidents" happening to me


Accidents can happen to anybody......perhaps you ought to remind her of this......
tonykennyThreads: 21
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A friend, a psychologist, advised me to regard this threat as a last ditch attempt at some sort of defense by a person who knows their battle is lost. She knows know that I'm legally entitled to throw her out. She heard me on the phone to the landlady when I was offered the appropriate documents to do this all legally and she knows her threats of telling the police that I "Threatened to kill her" will not hold water without evidence; that she clearly does not have.

So, with that, I started to smile again and realised that the end is nigh. Even better when this afternoon she arrived with a friend, packed some bags and started her move! So, looks like the battle is won and the field is being cleared. With a bit of luck it will be clear by the weekend, but I don't think I'll get it that lucky just yet.

The spoils of war? Well, I've learned a bit about Polish law and have most certainly become a stronger character! Not to mention that I now won't touch a Polish woman with a barge pole! Is it just me, or are the more-than-firey?

regards
Tony
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tonykenny:

Is it just me, or are the more-than-firey?

don`t think so it`s a women thing. i had similar threats during a messy divorce,take me to the cleaners, i made you and i can destroy you etc. hang tough mate it does get better.
VaFunkooloThreads: 7
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Bags outside, locks changed. End of

tonykenny:
I now won't touch a Polish woman with a barge pole!


A lot of men seem to learn this the hard way
vndunneThreads: 72
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tonykenny, Not including all polish women in this but there are certainl y some serious nut-cases out there. Seriously hard work.
by the way, make sure you change the locks when she is gone as you never know about secret visits when you are not there.
polishgirltx   Dec 4, 08, 10:36 /  #
tonykenny:

Not to mention that I now won't touch a Polish woman with a barge pole!

i think i've asked a few times this question already... where the heck do you find all those crazy chicks and then complain?? just start thinking with the right part of your bodies straight from the beginning....
tonykennyThreads: 21
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polishgirltx:

just start thinking with the right part of your bodies straight from the beginning

oh trust me... if you saw her, you'd see that i was not thinking with *that* part. She really seemed a guinely nice girl at first... but don't they all...
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