Buying farmland and keeping it as farmland in Poland

spiritusThreads: 53 Posts: 253 Joined: Oct 25, 06	Jun 22, 08, 16:55 / #
Everyone who is interested in buying land in Poland do so ultimately because of the potential to build on that land whether they buy "building land" or farmland which they hope will be re-designated as building land in the future. I was just thinking though that with the increase in food and energy prices could it not be an option just to continue to cultivate the land and make money that way ? You could even go all the way and stick a few wind turbines on the land ! :)

tomekThreads: 1 Posts: 147 Joined: Jun 12, 08	Jun 22, 08, 17:22 / #
Only Polish citizens should be allowed to buy land in Poland. And yes it should be used agricultural.

eleanoroconnerThreads: 4 Posts: 58 Joined: Nov 8, 07	Jun 23, 08, 07:05 / #
tomek: Only Polish citizens should be allowed to buy land in Poland Tomek - this argument has been had over many times on this forum and the general agreement is that Poland is now part of Europe. Your suggestions is like saying only people from Scotland should be allowed to buy Scottish land and only people from England, English Land. Poles buy land in Croatia, Bulgaria, Spain and Britain. It is no big deal. Try and drag yourself into the modern world - it's a great place when you stop being scared!

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,236 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Jun 23, 08, 07:50 / #
tomek: Only Polish citizens should be allowed to buy land in Poland. And yes it should be used agricultural. Oh dear!! then I guess I will just have to have my house knocked down on the agricultural land that I converted last year. spiritus: I was just thinking though that with the increase in food and energy prices could it not be an option just to continue to cultivate the land and make money that way ? Sounds wonderful but in reality almost 60 percent of the farming land in Poland is held by small farms of under 10 hectors, which is a bureaucratic nightmare when you get into farm subsidies. For example most dairy farmers can only operate if they have a cold storage tank for the milk which is out of the price bracket for the normal Polish small farm that has one or two cows. Therefore, it is cheaper for them to turn to something else but this is becoming more and more difficult for them to do.

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jun 23, 08, 07:55 / #
eleanoroconner: Try and drag yourself into the modern world Some people are best left behind. Darwin's theory of idiocy explains the reasoning.

tomekThreads: 1 Posts: 147 Joined: Jun 12, 08	Jun 23, 08, 08:39 / #
ukpolska: almost 60 percent of the farming land in Poland is held by small farms of under 10 hectors These farms could provide the ecological food Europeans lately demand so much for. Besides, some peasants I know can cope very well with having a modern job and still getting the work done on their small farms. Neighbours cooperate together sharing their farming-tools and stuff. And having one cow is enough to provide your family with milk and fresh butter. Though live is pretty hard for some, others get very well along.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jun 23, 08, 08:51 / #
tomek: know can cope very well with having a modern job Wish i knew how they did it.....i own a small farm in Poland and its hard work just keeping the dam grass cut....My farm is to be a center for tourists rather than a farm tho , so i hope it will bring jobs and money to the area that maybe a farm wouldn,t...besides i know bugger all about farming...

tomekThreads: 1 Posts: 147 Joined: Jun 12, 08	Jun 23, 08, 09:00 / #
wildrover: Wish i knew how they did it Alone you won't have it done. You at least nead a babcia or/and dziadek who can take care of the animals if you are not there - well that's how it works for the farmers I know. I do not know any older person in poland living in a nursing home personally - and thats something good!

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jun 23, 08, 09:15 / #
tomek: and thats something good! Thats true..i see old people working hard on the farms..that would be sat in a home in the UK....

MEMBER

Edited by: ukpolska Jun 23, 08, 11:04 / #

tomek:

These farms could provide the ecological food Europeans lately demand so much for.

Yes in a ideal world, but this must be instigated by the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development and getting them to provide anything is a hopeless task.

My wife is a Phd at the Institute of Soil Science and Plant Cultivation - State Research Institute here in Puławy, and they have countless problems getting founding for projects such as you mention, and all the time they hit a brick wall with the Ministry saying there is no need for for their projects.

Two years ago the EU made a proposal to Poland that they would like them to take control of all bio-fuel research along with other projects, which would have made Poland a leader in such research, but Jaroslaw kaczynski turned them down saying Poland would not be seen begging for anything.
This was at the time of the European constitution negotiations, and many in the scientific world saw it as pride issue on the behalf of kaczynski, but they were also sickened with despair because this lost Polish research Institutes millions of Euros, and has set them back years.

tomek:

I do not know any older person in poland living in a nursing home personally - and thats something good!

This is one very positive side of Polish culture that I so like and respect, and my mother is getting quite old now and my family in the UK are talking about a retirement home for her. This idea repulses me, so I spoke to my wife and she said without even thinking that she can come and live with us, so when we were building our house we just added a granny annex to the side, and when she wants to she can come and live with us.

Wildrover, we too live on a farm where my father-in-law gave us some land on his dairy farm, and it is lovely right next to a forest.

Here is a picture with the granny annex on the left side.

spiritusThreads: 53 Posts: 253 Joined: Oct 25, 06	Jun 23, 08, 13:41 / #
Damn ! That's some house UKPolska. I'm only 38 but can I come and live with you as well ?

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jun 23, 08, 13:46 / #
spiritus: That's some house Yes very nice...mine is a falling down hovel...built in 1934...

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,236 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Edited by: ukpolska Jun 24, 08, 05:01 / #
spiritus: Damn ! That's some house UKPolska. Thanks, but it was pretty easy really as it is a prefab house and the whole thing went up in 12 days, and with finishing it was completed in 4 months. The next project we are looking at is building an eco-house out of straw, on some land we purchased in Mazury 6 years ago; very cheap and quick to build. see links below: google translated.............polish version

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jun 24, 08, 06:26 / #
Sure there was a straw house built on Grand Designs a couple of weeks ago - not convincing at the start but once finished was really impressive. Keep us updated on your progress please

tomekThreads: 1 Posts: 147 Joined: Jun 12, 08	Jun 24, 08, 06:46 / #
Pretty impressive project ukpolska - hope it turns out well, since they seem not to have much experience yet you seem to be kinda a pioneer, would like to hear how it's developing as well - my congrats!

MEMBER

Edited by: ukpolska Jun 24, 08, 09:01 / #

VaFunkoolo:

Sure there was a straw house built on Grand Designs a couple of weeks ago - not convincing at the start but once finished was really impressive.

Thanks for that info, just found the torrent and downloading it :)

tomek:

since they seem not to have much experience yet you seem to be kinda a pioneer

Not really as I remember reading somewhere that just after the war in Poland there was nearly a whole town built in this way, and over the centuries building houses of straw has always been performed, so in fact I am just resurrecting an age old tradition:O)

I would advise anyone who is thinking of this, to work with the Department of Architecture, Urban Affairs and Planning at the University of Lublin, or other such institutions. Because they have become extremely interested in the project even asking if their students can be involved. An added advantage is that these departments control a lot of the planning applications, so if you get them on board, that's half the problem gone. Plus free labour!! :o)

Here are the initial plans at the moment and the inside layout might change, and I am not 100% sure about the roof, but it will be something like this.