Poland Property Boom Spills Over to Poorer Neighbouring Country

Der Osten holt auf
(The East catches up)

Eine aktuelle Studie zeigt, welche Städte die besten Chancen auf Wachstum haben. An der Spitze liegen die üblichen Verdächtigen aus dem Westen der Republik. Die Aufsteiger aber kommen aus den fünf neuen Bundesländern.

Die vier Top-Aufsteiger gegenüber dem gleichen Test vor zwei Jahren kommen alle aus Ostdeutschland. Das Rennen unter den Metropolen in den neuen Ländern macht Dresden, das sich von Platz 34 auf Platz 14 verbesserte. Am meisten Boden gut macht Leipzig mit Rang 19, nachdem die Stadt 2003 noch Platz 43 belegte. Jena steigt von Platz 41 auf Rang 21 und Potsdam von Platz 45 auf Rang 30 auf.

nierozumiemThreads: 13 Posts: 127 Joined: Jan 18, 08	Apr 7, 08, 12:40 / #
From today's International Herald Tribune: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/07/business/polecon.php "Szczecin is our trump card," said Lothar Meistring, the mayor of Löcknitz (GERMANY), where real estate agents say property prices are as much as 20 percent lower than in the Polish city. But unlike many bleak towns in the former communist East Germany, where birth rates have slumped and apartments stand empty because jobless workers have moved to wealthier western states, brightly painted family homes have mushroomed in Löcknitz, and the town now needs a bigger kindergarten. Who woulda thunk?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 7, 08, 12:47 / #
interesting "I would be very happy to work for a Pole. Unemployment is a huge problem here." Meistring, the mayor, says a handful of "problem citizens" was damaging the reputation of the majority in Löcknitz who welcomed their Polish neighbors. Polish investors received the same help or subsidies as did German businesses, he said, adding even the most critical far-right supporters were benefiting from the Polish newcomers. "One of the leading NPD officials, a tiler, is renovating a house owned by a Pole at the moment. How ironic is that?" Where is Bratwurst :)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 7, 08, 13:39 / #
He just wanted to be polite! We Germans are VERY polite you must know! :) PS: I doubt he said Sczezczin...no German can spell that. He surely said Stettin how it's used to be...nods

Shawn_H	Edited by: Shawn_H Apr 7, 08, 13:47 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Sczezczin...no German can spell that Nice try though!

nierozumiemThreads: 13 Posts: 127 Joined: Jan 18, 08	May 19, 08, 11:28 / #
And another article with the same theme: *"For us it's cheap here."* - Polish assessment of Germany "The price of real estate in Loeckwitz, 25 kilometers away, is also creating a lot of interest on the other side of the border. Some 200 of the town's 3,000 inhabitants are Polish citizens. Project manager Jan Rybski moved here a year ago from Szczecin. He is currently overseeing the development of a "German-Polish settlement" targeted at middle-class Poles from nearby metropolitan areas as well as German retirees looking for the quiet life." http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3342041,00.html

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	May 19, 08, 11:35 / #
Better Poles then Muslims I say...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jun 7, 08, 12:18 / #
carla: Poles buy Germans :) Better than stealing...

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Jun 7, 08, 13:02 / #
carla: Poles buy Germans :) You know old German females have some symphaty towards Poles ;) we have discount.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 7, 08, 13:30 / #
Kowalski: Now it's not Stettin nor Szczecin anymore... He :) Lukasz: You know old German females have some symphaty towards Poles ;) we have discount. As you will know! LOL :):):)

Henim	Jun 11, 08, 12:14 / #
dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3342041,00.html I work for Polish company Romag Nord. They pay good and treat us well.

FikolecekThreads: - Posts: 15 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Edited by: Fikolecek Sep 14, 08, 03:18 / #
www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3342041,00.html While many German firms may have chosen to relocate abroad to save labor costs, wages in western Poland are only marginally lower than in the German state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, which borders Poland. Wieczorek's firm, Romag Nord, has already taken on 18 German workers. And he has plans to more than double the size of his workforce. Drang nach west. Boom is over but it is good step. It was to this propaganda spreaded by some people on this forum.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Sep 14, 08, 03:20 / #
What do you mean with "stronger"? Didn't tell your god to love ALL people??? :):):)

FikolecekThreads: - Posts: 15 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Edited by: Fikolecek Sep 14, 08, 03:24 / #
Bratwurst Boy: What do you mean with "stronger"? I edited my post before your response... So: Stronger values, work ethics, determination, and Poles were less brain washed durring communism :)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 14, 08, 03:27 / #
"Stronger values" because some estate in East Germany was bought by Poles??? What about the centuries of german "Drang nach Osten", polish partitition etc...stronger "german values" then too??? Funny guy! :) PS: "The properties on offer are nothing less than giveaways, even if they need a little investment," said Magdalena Pysz, a Polish estate agent. "Poles love the Prussian order, the cleanliness, the lack of corruption and the neat, cobbled streets."

JukrekThreads: - Posts: 76 Joined: May 9, 08	Edited by: Jukrek Jun 12, 08, 05:37 / #
interesting situation.

FikolecekThreads: - Posts: 15 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Edited by: Fikolecek Sep 14, 08, 03:38 / #
Western German have invested bilions in your infrastructure durring 90's so you have better roads etc... how ever other details look good. Poland changes as well but this is nice example of neighbourhood in EU ! The end of your propaganda on this forum. :)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 14, 08, 03:43 / #
Fikolecek: The end of your propaganda on this forum. My propaganda??? Soon Germans will buy polish estates too...what has this to do with "stronger values" or "propaganda"??? I'm glad Poland changes, Germany profits from a functioning Poland and the EU is stronger for it! The once german now polish ex-border region has a great future ahead, where people and business will mix alot! Just watch! :)

FikolecekThreads: - Posts: 15 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Edited by: Fikolecek Sep 14, 08, 03:53 / #
After your posts of your "gang" on this forum I know that eastern Germans have some problems ... You and your pagan friends are strange ! Ciao !

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 14, 08, 04:07 / #
Fikolecek: You and your pagan friends are strange ! snicker "Love your neighbour like yourself" remember? :):):) Do you plan a christian crusade in eastern Germany??? Burning witches again??? LOL Good luck! You will need it...:) PS: "my gang"??? I have a gang??? Coooool... PPS: Apropos strange...maybe you need just more info?

FikolecekThreads: - Posts: 15 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Edited by: Fikolecek Sep 14, 08, 04:39 / #
Bratwurst Boy: "Love your neighbour like yourself" remember? :):):) I love you Bratwurst like all humans! I only think you are very wrong. Article haven't said anything about Polish crusades but rather about some Germans... whatever. I am going to church it is sunday - see you later.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Sep 14, 08, 04:55 / #
Fikolecek: I love you Bratwurst nice. the first couple on PF. fikolecek not only found his way to the God but also the new boyfriend. best of luck! cheers guys :)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Sep 14, 08, 05:15 / #
Ah come on Mc...don't feel left out! Join us! :)

ParisJazzThreads: 2 Posts: 196 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Sep 19, 08, 08:48 / #
Eastern Germany was doomed the moment Helmut Kohl decided the east and west marks should be on par. That was reckless, incompetent and economically suicidal for the east. Legislating that the two marks must be on par, de facto rendered the east German industrial base obsolete and overvalued, and simply wiped out any economical comparative advantage that eastern Germany could have had. 20 years on, the results are there for everyone to see. While the poles were busy working their asses off and benefiting from all the business they managed to get due to they being a cheaper option, eastern Germans were sitting on their asses doing sod all and living off the state hand outs. Basically the poles have been steadily building up their capital base (and hence their wealth) whereas the Eastern German capital was wiped out and the bit that still stands is slowly decaying away. I predict that things will get worse for eastern Germany. PJ

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Sep 19, 08, 08:52 / #
Basically the Eastern Germans do not want to immigrate.

Poland Property Boom Spills Over to Poorer Neighbouring Country - GERMANY

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Sep 19, 08, 08:56 / #
ParisJazz: I predict that things will get worse for eastern Germany. You should update your info...

ParisJazzThreads: 2 Posts: 196 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Sep 19, 08, 09:14 / #
Bratwurst Boy: You should update your info... You seem to know things we don't. Which info would that be then? southern: Basically the Eastern Germans do not want to immigrate. They do move a bit but only to the western and southern states. Pretty much every German girl serving in a bakery or a supermarket in Munich is eastern German. PJ

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Sep 19, 08, 09:31 / #
ParisJazz: Pretty much every German girl serving The girls,not the boys.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 19, 08, 09:35 / #
<div class="quoting">ParisJazz: You seem to know things we don't. Which info would that be then?</div> That western german regions start to mope that they want some Soli too since they start to look shabby compared to all shiny new eastern Germany? About "Saxony Valley", our german version of the high tech Silicon valley??? URL ....and that was 10 years back! Try to imagine it today... invest-in-saxony.de/en/Saxony_at_a_Glance/97772.html Eastern Germany gets their own Wirtschaftswunder!:) URL How is your german? Der Osten holt auf (The East catches up) Eine aktuelle Studie zeigt, welche Städte die besten Chancen auf Wachstum haben. An der Spitze liegen die üblichen Verdächtigen aus dem Westen der Republik. Die Aufsteiger aber kommen aus den fünf neuen Bundesländern. Die vier Top-Aufsteiger gegenüber dem gleichen Test vor zwei Jahren kommen alle aus Ostdeutschland. Das Rennen unter den Metropolen in den neuen Ländern macht Dresden, das sich von Platz 34 auf Platz 14 verbesserte. Am meisten Boden gut macht Leipzig mit Rang 19, nachdem die Stadt 2003 noch Platz 43 belegte. Jena steigt von Platz 41 auf Rang 21 und Potsdam von Platz 45 auf Rang 30 auf. As I said...you need to update your info! <div class="quoting">ParisJazz: Pretty much every German girl serving in a bakery or a supermarket in Munich is eastern German. </div> And you know them all, right?