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MateuszoflvThreads: 4
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  Jun 17, 08, 23:25 /  #
Hey, Ive been reading some horrifying stuff that Poland and Ukraine may step down from co-hosting the Euro 2012 championship.

This would be because they dont have the money, the roads are too bad, and they dont have enough hotels.


If this ever happened I would truly be heart broken...

I would think that the Poles and the Ukrainians would do everything in their power to host this championship to show the world what great countries they are.


I would like to start a dicussion on this, with people giving updates on the situacion about the competetion. ( i know the UEFA will be having a meeting with The polish and ukranian reps about this situacion).


SO if you guys know any information or opinions please share them here.

Also i don't want to see some bu11shit negative comments here. Be respectful please.

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  Jun 18, 08, 08:52 /  #
Mateuszoflv:
This would be because they dont have the money, the roads are too bad, and they dont have enough hotels.


I could add plenty to that list.

Anyone care to post pictures of the new stadia for the competition.

I think Poland/Ukraine might jump before they are pushed.
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Edited by: polishcanuck   Jun 18, 08, 17:57 /  #
Well if Poland continues to build 6km of highways per year, then yes the tourney will have to be moved to another country. I read somewhere that scotland may be the substitute. However, i think it's more likely that italy will get it (if pol/ukr fail) since they have the infrastructure already in place.

Here's an interesting link about the stadium in Gdansk (last year). Just shows how much work poland has in preparing for euro 2012.

http://www.nikon.org.pl/showthread.php?t=43802 *warning, depressing images*

warsaw: http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/news/?id=82522

I will try to add more recent news later, i'm too busy right now.
MateuszoflvThreads: 4
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  Jun 18, 08, 18:05 /  #
I think that the Poles can pull it through

I belive that the people will tear down walls just to promote their country thru this once in a lifetime opportunity.
KilklineThreads: 3
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  Jun 19, 08, 03:27 /  #
They've got to get it done, otherwise they'll have trouble in the future getting even the most lowly events held there. Unfortunatly I think only a change in working culture or in the use of alot of external consultants/managers will result in this event not being a failure.

Its not looking good at the moment.
MateuszoflvThreads: 4
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  Jun 19, 08, 07:46 /  #
No kidding

but from what i see

Poland is meeting all the requirments.

Its Ukraine thats missing all the things.

I heard that the UEFA will move most of the Events to Poland if Ukraine doesnt meet the requirments .

This would put additional stress on Poland tho .
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Edited by: Polanglik   Jun 23, 08, 08:00 /  #
http://newzar.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/will-poland-miss-an-opportunity -to-stage-euro-2012-colourful-uefa%E2%80%99s-report-cc/

It appears that Warsaw and Chorzow are behind schedule, but other stadiums/developments are okay; however Ukraine has a problem with all its stadiums !

Quite possible that Euro2012 may be solely held in Polska ...... if Polska doesn't screw it up !

Platini is planning a visit in early July to see for himself what progress , if any , is going on in preparation for Euro2012 in Polska.
KilklineThreads: 3
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  Jun 23, 08, 08:10 /  #
Is Krakow definitely one of the host cities? In the early bidding stages I thought they turned their nose up at the idea.
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  Jun 23, 08, 08:18 /  #
Kilkline:
Is Krakow definitely one of the host cities


i thought they were one of the reserve cities/stadiums, but with Ukraine having difficulties it might get a promotion :o)
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Edited by: Greenback   Jun 23, 08, 08:37 /  #
When I visited Gdansk in October last year there seemed to be alot of motorway roadworks going on and work outside the train station entrance - but the trams and most of the buses are in dire need of repair and the worry thing is the lack of pubs/bars and eating places in Gdansk.

You will need to invest alot into transport and drinking and eating establishments to avoid football fans drinking from the neptune statue lol.

The problem is Gsdank is a nice city but you dont have to go far out of the city until you feel like your stuck in a time warp with very basic little towns with lots of forrests - nice for a sighting seeing but not what a football fan wants.

Another thing I noticed was you have some beautiful old buildings but they seem to be left to fall to pieces while you continue to build new houses instead - if investment was made to repair the beautifull old buildings it would add greatly to your countries appeal.
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  Jun 23, 08, 08:48 /  #
The motorway works on the outside of Gdansk were most likely the finishing touches of the new Gdansk Tczew road, although there are road works all over the the 3M at the moment (lets not talk about the new tunnel in Sopot). As for repairing old buildings, it's just so much easier (and cheaper) to knock them down and start again.
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Edited by: Greenback   Jun 23, 08, 09:55 /  #
Well from what I could see these buildings are still being used or are left to riot which is a real shame as the architecture and workmenship on some of these buildings is really beautiful and should be repaired and restored - once there gone there gone for ever and you lose a lot of your countries past.

Its more appealing than some of the ugly ex soviet multi story blocks of flats that are everywhere just out side of Gdansk.

You comments remind me of when I went to to Athens once and went to see the Acropolis - we returned to are hotel and some of the hotel guests asked where we had been for the day, we said to see the Acropolis! and they said what to see a pile of old stone! why bother?

Some people just dont see the importance of preserving history - if you ignore history you end up repeating the mistakes of the past!

If you want the football in Poland you need to make it more tourist friendly and not just the cheapest place in the EU to buy cigs lol - I know Poland is not really a pub/bar culture but again if you want the football you will need to build bars and clubs unless you want a riot.

You will need to accept different cultures and and welcome different races with open arms - at the moment I still get stared at when I come to Poland at customs as i'm English.

But if you can do this you country will be changed for the better!
scotjockThreads: 4
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  Jun 24, 08, 07:36 /  #
Greenback:
You will need to accept different cultures and and welcome different races with open arms - at the moment I still get stared at when I come to Poland at customs as i'm English.


You don't go building bars just for a football tournament - where is the sustainability in that? European football fans will accept Poland for what it is, a new Member State, and will enjoy the Polish culture and hospitality that is on offer.

As to bars, the Poles set up bars really quickly in the summer in parks and other open spaces. They will do the same, without changing things just because of footy fans. The Euro 2012 will be a safer and more enjoyable place if England don't qualify. Oh, how much I am enjoying Euro 2008.
VaFunkooloThreads: 7
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  Jun 24, 08, 07:45 /  #
It always makes me laugh when some insignificant little country takes snide pot shots at those that previously lorded over them. It's like a having an annoying yet insignificant little dog snapping at your feet that is shood away without a second thought. Oh the joy of not being born into one of these lesser countries.

Anyway

Quite how Poland will fare in 2012 we must wait to see.
scotjockThreads: 4
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  Jun 24, 08, 08:31 /  #
The average Englishman in the home he call his castle slips into his national costume, a shabby raincoat, patented by Chemist Charles Macintosh from Glasgow, Scotland.

En-route to his office he strides along the English lane, surfaced by John Macadam of Ayr, Scotland.

He drives an English car fitted with tyres invented by John Boyd Dunlop, Veterinary Surgeon of Dreghorn, Scotland.

At the office he receives the mail bearing adhesive stamps invented by John Chalmers, Bookseller and Printer of Dundee, Scotland.

During the day he uses the telephone invented by Alexander Graham Bell, born in Edinburgh, Scotland. At home in the evening his daughter pedals her bicycle invented by Kirkpatrick Macmillan, Blacksmith of Thornhill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.

He watches the news on television, an invention of John Logie Baird of Helensburgh, Scotland, and hears an item about the U.S. Navy founded by John Paul Jones of Kirkbean, Scotland.

Nowhere can an Englishman turn to escape the ingenuity of the Scots.

He has by now been reminded too much of Scotland and in desperation he picks up the Bible, only to find that the first man mentioned in the good book is a Scot, King James VI, who authorized its translation.

He could take to drink but the Scots make the best in the world.

He could take a rifle and end it all, but the breech-loading rifle was invented by Captain Patrick Ferguson of Pitfours, Scotland.

If he escaped death, he could find himself on an operating table injected with penicillin, discovered by Sir Alexander Fleming of Darvel, Scotland, and given chloroform, an anesthetic discovered by Sir James Young Simpson, Obstetrician and Gynecologist of Bathgate, Scotland.

Out of the anesthetic he would find no comfort in learning that he was as safe as the Bank of England founded by William Paterson of Dumfries, Scotland.

Perhaps his only remaining hope would be to get a transfusion of guid Scottish blood which would entitle him to ask:

"Wha's Like Us?"
TheroenThreads: 2
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  Jun 24, 08, 10:25 /  #
Hahaha, really nice scotjock
VaFunkooloThreads: 7
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  Jun 24, 08, 10:29 /  #
And at the end of the day, when all is said and done, he snuggles up in bed between sheets no doubt made in Scotland and smiles, that by God's Grace, he was born English

:)
KilklineThreads: 3
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  Jun 24, 08, 10:56 /  #
scotjock:
given chloroform, an anesthetic discovered by Sir James Young Simpson, Obstetrician and Gynecologist of Bathgate, Scotland.


I'm sure William Wallace could have done with a bit of that when we divided him up like a deep pan pizza.
szarlotkaThreads: 14
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  Jun 24, 08, 11:03 /  #
scotjock:
which would entitle him to ask:


Why we are governed by that muppet Brown?
GreenbackThreads: -
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Edited by: Greenback   Jun 25, 08, 03:08 /  #
Yes England were a joke by not qualifying for the championships - but then look how the teams that knocked us out are doing in the euro champs now!

At the end of the day we had to make way for great teams like Swiss / Austria / and Poland - I'd especially like to thank Poland for their amazing shots off target stats / passes completed stats/ and player assist stats - you really played some superb conference league stuff their lol
ShelleySThreads: 18
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  Jun 25, 08, 04:28 /  #
scotjock:
You don't go building bars just for a football tournament - where is the sustainability in that? European football fans will accept Poland for what it is, a new Member State, and will enjoy the Polish culture and hospitality that is on offer.


Manchester built several new hotels when they hosted the common wealth games a couple of years ago and London has been building like crazy since getting the Olympic games...You have to be a bit crazy to think that what you have will be enough when 100,000 of people decend on your city!

scotjock:
En-route to his office he strides along the English lane, surfaced by John Macadam of Ayr, Scotland.


Lets not forget good old John Metcalf, I do believe he was actually English a Lancashire lad and laid the first "professional" roads :)

And we did actually invent the "computer" another Lancashire lad :) So whilst you can hold claim to the telephone and the television, had it not been for an Englishman you wouldn't be having this conversation with all us lovely English people :))))
sloThreads: 2
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  Jun 25, 08, 11:48 /  #
Guys, no panics, Olympic games in Vancouver (Canada) starts 2010 and they just start now road upgrading and construction, new lines of subway construction, etc. We still have time and, yes, we have to work hard in both Poland and Ukraine.

I am thinking to be a volunteer in Ukraine for Euro 2012 and have created web page http://volunteer2012.wordpress.com/ Do you know such similar Polish web sites to join volunteers 2012?
MateuszoflvThreads: 4
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  Jun 25, 08, 23:39 /  #
yes Slo

google it, i know that i was on the official site of the 2012 euro, and there were volunteer opportunities

Actually, volunteers are already working, and i heard that they need as many as possible.

I would volunteer if i had the money to go :)


Goodluck with it Slo, and I think that Poland will Pull through with this.
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  Jun 27, 08, 00:15 /  #
Slo, are you serious?? I live in Vancouver and it is nothing but construction zone after construction zone everywhere I turn. The Olympic Skating rink in Richmond is long done, the tunnel underneath downtown has been completed as has the one on the south side of false creek and the canada line is looking ahead of schedule and the sea to sky highway is progressing on schedule, as well.

I wonder how that stadium being built in Danzig is progressing at the moment? No worries, they have four years to go-no panic at all.

Can't wait for the next Euro in 2012....the Olympics, not so much.

later
z_dariusThreads: 22
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  Jun 27, 08, 00:26 /  #
eastprussian:

I wonder how that stadium being built in Danzig is progressing at the moment?

No stadium is being built in Danzig.
In fact Danzig is only a historic concept. The name of the city is Gdańsk.
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  Jun 27, 08, 03:38 /  #
z_darius:
The name of the city is Gdańsk

I agree it is in Poland but in many other countries we still call it Danzig. I assume when "eastprussian" was born it was a free city with a very strong German influence so you can't be really annoyed if he uses German or better saying international names I'm not trying to put you down or anything like that I'm just saying how it is.
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  Jun 27, 08, 04:52 /  #
Michal Platini has said that there are no problems at the minute and has no intention of moving Euro 2012 at the present time.
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  Jun 27, 08, 04:59 /  #
djf:
Michal Platini has said that there are no problems at the minute and has no intention of moving Euro 2012 at the present time.


Interesting. Some of the guys at work have resigned themselves to the fact that the tournament will be in either Italy or France.
I've had doubts from the very beginning and can see nothing to change my mind.
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Edited by: szarlotka   Jun 27, 08, 06:57 /  #
djf:
Michal Platini has said that there are no problems at the minute and has no intention of moving Euro 2012 at the present time.


That is the equivalent of a football club chairman publicly making a statement fully supporting the manager. Two days later......

I would not trust M. Platini. He is apparently lobbying the French government to support his European football restructuring plans since France co-incidentally has the chair of the EU next. He was a magnificent player but is proving to be a duplicitous head of UEFA IMHO
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  Jun 27, 08, 07:04 /  #
Lots of rumors going round but the official word.

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