More and more foreign students in Poland

A pioneer in human heart transplantation in Poland, he led the team to prepare the first heart transplantation in the country, and in June 1995 he was the first surgeon to graft an artificial valve created from materials taken from human corpses. In 2004, a team led by Religa obtained a prestigious Brussels Eureka award at the World Exhibition of Innovation, Research and Technology for developing an implantable pump for a pneumatic heart assistance system.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Apr 26, 08, 11:56 / #
http://matura.onet.pl/1483320,1,poradnik_artykul.html it is article in Polish so shortly there is more and more foreign students in Poland. Students form east prefere to study economics. Students from USA nad Canada prefere medicine. Students form EU countries don't have special preferences every year we have 10% more foreign students. Why Poland? High standarts of education, and price. :) 97% of foreign students recomends Poland as good palce for studies.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Apr 26, 08, 11:59 / #
Lukasz: Why Poland? well for sure its not the food

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 12:00 / #
High standards of education :) Low level of pay :(

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 12:31 / #
Seanus: well for sure its not the food one thing they don't like is that they feel that because of money they pay (Polish students don't pay for education) they have better accomodation or special treatment. Seanus: High standards of education :) Low level of pay :( if we want to have more students in long term "lower prices + high standarts" is the best soultion. 97% of students are satisfied and it is good.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 12:34 / #
I didn't mention anything about food, Łukasz. I love the food here btw Lower prices? What? I was talking about salaries Luke, not the cost of living.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 12:35 / #
Seanus: ower prices? What? I was talking about salaries Luke, not the cost of living. I have been talking about charges for studies. Seanus: I was talking about salaries Luke, not the cost of living. as to salaries I agree that Poland isn't USA

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 12:43 / #
Poland is very good in this respect, it doesn't charge generally. What a great incentive. The point I wanted to make was that, in general, salaries are disproportionate to the high level of education.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 12:47 / #
Seanus: The point I wanted to make was that, in general, salaries are disproportionate to the high level of education. it slowly changes, last time we don't have problems with unemployment ... and salaries started to increase. Of course we need time to make our country pefrect ;) Well educated foreign students with positive attitude towards Poland are great investment. 97% enjoyed Poland and studies here it means that we are on good way ...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 12:51 / #
I agree, the level of unemployment is going down and salaries have gone up. How do I know this? I was told by my financial advisor. I paid over 300zł ZUS for the first time last time and he attributed this to an incremental rise in salaries. Poland is moving in the right direction.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 12:54 / #
We have so many discussions about salaries on PF ... I don't see your point.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 12:55 / #
Would u rather discuss celeries? LOL Not much to discuss there really

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Edited by: BubbaWoo Apr 26, 08, 13:35 / #
Lukasz: they want their people to be educated in Poland dont kid yourself, primarily they want their people to be educated where they can afford to pay the fees Lukasz: this stat show that they get wat they wanted. customer satisfaction within education is recognised as being very difficult to measure. what the stats show, if anything, is that these students' expectations were perhaps met. just what expactations these asian and african students had of the polish education system is not shown by a percentage figure im not knocking the polish education system per se, just putting things into perspective

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 13:55 / #
I know Polish doctors are good, VERY good, so why do Polish people complain about them so often? I read the article and I know that the position is very rosy here. I'm not here to devalue anything, I know that Polish doctors are excellent. Some doctors felt the need to accept 'backhanded' payments, straight into their pockets. There are imperfections as there will always be. Don't think that I am one of those 'enemy' Brits Łukasz, I'm as objective as I can be. I see many plusses here

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 14:25 / #
What is more. I feel that technology studies are very interesting as well. nice link: http://www.future-processing.com/outsourcing-polish-programmers.php Programming is a discipline in which Poles have always excelled - which is why some of the world's best known technology companies, including IBM, Motorola and Google, have decided to set up research centres in Poland. Listed below are some of the successes achieved by Polish programmers in recent international competitions. this kind of studies are very popular as well.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 13:01 / #
what is your point ? what are you trying to say ?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 13:30 / #
I was talking, quite clearly, about incentives. Why go to the end of ur studies to be paid peanuts? Got it?!!

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 13:32 / #
Seanus: I was talking, quite clearly, about incentives. Why go to the end of ur studies to be paid peanuts? Got it?!! not everybody is earning peanuts ... have you seen cars on Polish streets ? What I want to add, the fact that 97% of students enjoyed their studies here, A lot of students come form Asia or Africa. Malesyan government decided to pay charges for their students ... they want their people to be educated in Poland ... Polish doctors are one of the best all over the world (brits do everything to steal them ;) ) so Canadians and Americans are notcialble as well. Of course even charges are lower than in different countries, it is noticable financial support for Polish education system (Polish students don't pay for education ) 97% is 97% this stat show that they get wat they wanted.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 13:34 / #
So why does Poland find it so hard to keep its people here Luke?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Apr 26, 08, 13:37 / #
Exactly, let's see how many Africans study in Norway or Switzerland. They have high standards of education too

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 13:46 / #
so Polish doctors work where they want and earn enourmous money ... that is why Scandinavians and Canadians and Americans study medicine here. seanus you have learned Polish, so maybe you should read this article ? why brits do everything to have our doctors in UK ? they are very proffesional.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Apr 26, 08, 13:47 / #
polish dentists are now filling in for uk shortages. no pun intended

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 13:56 / #
Seanus: o Polish people complain about them so often? we are nation of complainers so many times I have heard that on this forum :) to avoid some pointless discussions here. 97 % (agian) of Canadian, American European Asian African students recomends Poland as good place for studies.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 13:59 / #
Were such views extracted by coercion Luke? ;)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 14:07 / #
here is great example of one of the moust famous Polish doctors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Religa A pioneer in human heart transplantation in Poland, he led the team to prepare the first heart transplantation in the country, and in June 1995 he was the first surgeon to graft an artificial valve created from materials taken from human corpses. In 2004, a team led by Religa obtained a prestigious Brussels Eureka award at the World Exhibition of Innovation, Research and Technology for developing an implantable pump for a pneumatic heart assistance system. that kind of people build Polish medicne education system ... international students enjoy Poland

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 14:11 / #
So, what complaints do u have about the medical system in Poland Luke? ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 14:29 / #
It speaks the truth, Poland has a rich history of programming. In general, telecommunications is a forte of Poland's. U can thank Scottish inventors for inventing the modern world with the telephone ;) Oh, and radar too :)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 26, 08, 14:33 / #
Seanus I am not trying to say we are better or something like that ... I just have found article about foreign students in Poland. and I think that Poland has opinion of backward country ... so I wanted to show reality and positive changes. our education system is strong (can be stronger) ... and more and more people want to study here ... that is all.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 14:36 / #
And I salute u for that Luke, I just threw in the Scottish stuff casually. I hope u find other such articles as I believe in them. I'd like people to be aware of these positive changes too. Good job Luke!!

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Apr 26, 08, 18:21 / #
Seanus: U can thank Scottish inventors for inventing the modern world with the telephone ;) hehehe Canadians say Bell was Canadian, Americans say he was American...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 08, 18:22 / #
He was born in Scotland and is generally considered as being Scottish