The Euro Currency in Poland in 2012. Referendum?

southern:

It is a democracy of representatives,not a democracy of direct vote.Only in ancient Athens the people decided directly for their cases by their vote without representatives but it was possible because they were very few.Now,you have indirect,not direct democracy.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Edited by: dcchris Oct 31, 08, 09:49 / #
The govt is planning on adopting the euro currency in 2012. Is it a good idea? Can they meet the 2 year requirements necessary previous to the adoptions? Do Poles want the euro? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7695487.stm

nader85Threads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Oct 31, 08	Oct 31, 08, 11:36 / #
sori i dont know the answer

loverman2009Threads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Nov 1, 08	Nov 1, 08, 18:40 / #
i think there should be referendum and it's up to people to decide

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 1, 08, 19:25 / #
I agree with loverman2009, there should be a referendum as currency affects virtually everyone. After all, what are referendums for?

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08	Nov 2, 08, 01:51 / #
I dont want to say goodbye to our traditional currency forever...

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Nov 2, 08, 06:35 / #
sure a referendum is the best idea. after all this is democracy right? Things would be more expensive. I was in Holland just after they had changed and they were extremely unhappy about it. Prices got rounded up and salaries rounded down.

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,236 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Nov 2, 08, 08:36 / #
I hope there isn't a referendum and it goes through, the earlier the better. Poland is developing rapidly, the economic rates are established and the Euro might even accelerate this economic growth set at 4% for 2009. It would reduce currency risks for importers and exporters. It would help to cut costs of risk protection and make trade profits more predictable. Predictable profit stimulates investment.

polishgirltx	Nov 2, 08, 08:41 / #
Lodz_The_Boat: I dont want to say goodbye to our traditional currency forever... would you like to change it every other year...?

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Nov 2, 08, 08:47 / #
dcchris: after all this is democracy right? No, this is not democracy and referendum wont be organized. ukpolska: It would reduce currency risks for importers and exporters. How big do you think is percent of importers and exporters among Polish society?

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Nov 2, 08, 08:49 / #
lesser: and referendum wont be organized. No country had referendum to accept the euro.It was voted by parliament.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Nov 2, 08, 08:56 / #
lesser: uropean political elites hate the idea of referendum itself. Yes,because referendum can lead to bonapartism.Like for example referendum to join EU in Poland gave power to radical Right. Referendum about immigrants in France can give power to Lepen and in UK to BNP.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Nov 2, 08, 09:03 / #
southern: About parties like the party of holy polish family,how is it called? Because they won something like 10% of votes in parliamentary elections? Anyway, they are not any radicals. hmm, So you think, this is OK and Eurocrats still could be called 'democrats'.

johnvprThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Jan 16, 09	Edited by: johnvpr Jan 19, 09, 07:23 / #
hi to all, here in ITALY the euro killed us! after few year everything cost double and payceck are the same!! Hope Poland never gets euro

Wroclaw Boy	Jan 19, 09, 07:30 / #
johnvpr: here in ITALY the euro killed us! after few year everything cost double and payceck are the same!! i would have thought inflation was a bigger problem pre euro in Italy. 2,000,000 Lira gets you a chocolate bar.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Nov 2, 08, 08:53 / #
southern: No country had referendum to accept the euro.It was voted by parliament. I know, European political elites hate the idea of referendum itself. They are hardly willing to organize referendum about anything and even if, they reject the results if incorrect. Edit: Sorry I think Denmark rejected Euro in referendum.,

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Nov 2, 08, 08:57 / #
southern: Like for example referendum to join EU in Poland gave power to radical Right. What are you talking about??

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Nov 2, 08, 08:59 / #
lesser: What are you talking about?? About parties like the party of holy polish family,how is it called?

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,948 Joined: May 17, 07	Nov 2, 08, 09:06 / #
lesser: and Eurocrats still could be called 'democrats'. It is a democracy of representatives,not a democracy of direct vote.Only in ancient Athens the people decided directly for their cases by their vote without representatives but it was possible because they were very few.Now,you have indirect,not direct democracy.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Nov 2, 08, 09:15 / #
southern: It is a democracy of representatives,not a democracy of direct vote.Only in ancient Athens the people decided directly for their cases by their vote without representatives but it was possible because they were very few.Now,you have indirect,not direct democracy. You should read about current Swiss model of direct democracy. Anyway, you suggest that eurocrats dislike 'representative democracy' as well. Otherwise they would fully accept 10% of LPR. We know that they started anti-democratic campaign in Austria when Haider led his party to victory. Still "democrats"?

belg	Nov 25, 08, 10:42 / #
If adopting the euro as a currency is an obligation that was signed while negotiating the EU-accession, why do some of you want a referendum now? After all, you voted yes for accession in 2004... :-)

johnvprThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Jan 16, 09	Edited by: johnvpr Jan 19, 09, 07:36 / #
it was 2,000 lira to get a bar ;) 1 euro equals to 1936,27 lira but a chocolate bar now cost 2 euro ;) (4.000 lira) if in 2001 your paycheck was lira 2.000.000 you could pay an appartament 700.000/month after few year you have a paycheck of € 1000 and pay an appartament € 800/month

Wroclaw Boy	Jan 19, 09, 07:40 / #
johnvpr: if in 2001 your paycheck was lira 2.000.000 you could pay an appartament 700.000/month a mont after few year you have a paycheck of € 1000 and pay an appartament € 800/month Thats an internal domestic problem my friend. Dont think Italys accession to the Euro currency has a direct effect on what costs what in Italy.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jan 19, 09, 08:01 / #
johnvpr: here in ITALY the euro killed us! isn't it rather "Italy is killing the Euro?" You folks never get your stuff fixed...