Poland selling Carbon Credits

auberopole:

If a global company operates in denial of climate change it will lose opportunities in the fast-growing eco-consumer segment. It will also have to react badly to fast-changing environmental regulation especially carbon trading schemes, rather than being proactive and helping to shape the solution.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Nov 23, 09, 15:11 / #
Poland is to sell 15 million euros' (22 million dollars) worth of carbon credits to Ireland, the Polish environment minister said Saturday. uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20091121/tsc-poland-to-sell-ireland-15-million-eu -b1f5339.html Todays News What is a carbon credit ?Madness Is Poland pulling a fast one due to its reliance on coal fired energy ??Hmmm Or is this a reward for moving away from polluting processes. I'm sure its a good thing but it just doesn't make sense to me.

auberopoleThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Nov 21, 09	Nov 23, 09, 20:44 / #
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, I'm personally very interested to know what Poland's climate change/environmental record is like. szkotja2007: Is Poland pulling a fast one due to its reliance on coal fired energy ??Hmmm If its selling carbon credits then they have surplus carbon emissions rights and Spain/Ireland have a deficit hence the trade. But then that suggests Poland's carbon emissions are still lower than allowable limit despite being predominantly coal (a very bad thing)! So I don't understand how that logic works out.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Nov 24, 09, 00:22 / #
Carbon trading is completely nonsense no matter how you look at it - and does anyone believe that the UK/France/Germany will actually be sanctioned if they go over some arbitary limits?

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Nov 24, 09, 00:33 / #
I didnt pay much attention to the Kyoto agreement but it looks like just about everyone agreed to a cap apart from USA and China. Given that it all goes in to the earths atmosphere - isn't it all a bit pointless ? And can anyone explain it in terms I can understand ?

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 [Suspended]	Edited by: Bzibzioh Nov 24, 09, 00:48 / #
szkotja2007: And can anyone explain it in terms I can understand ? The Kyoto Protocol requires 55 industrialized countries to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions to target levels 5.2% below that of 1990 (target for the European Union is set at 8% ). If unable to, they must buy emission credits from countries that are under these levels. Developing countries have no requirements under the Protocol. They may sell emission credits and receive funds and technology from developed countries. In short: it's BS.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Nov 24, 09, 01:19 / #
Bzibzioh: In short: it's BS. Thanks - thats what I thought ... I just couldn't see it for all the BS !

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 [Suspended]	Nov 24, 09, 01:27 / #
szkotja2007: thats what I thought ... I just couldn't see it for all the BS ! Any French invention is a BS or at least suspicious :)

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Nov 24, 09, 19:49 / #
I am getting worried now. I have now learned about carbon credits and that people have to pay for damage to the environment. I have also learned that methane can be bad for the environment. My problem is I have had a chicken enchilada for my dinner and it was on the spicy side. Coupled with the anxiety worrying about the environment and , well, I think you can see where this is going...... Anyone got any spare methane credits ?

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Edited by: jwojcie Nov 24, 09, 21:27 / #
There are two kinds of this carbon credit. One is UN carbon credits and Poland has plenty of those because UN started counting that somewhere in the 80'. I don't know exactly. Thing is that in the same time Poland bancrupted so willy-nilly Poland managed to reduce gas emission a lot :-) Another thing is EU thing which came up recently which is counted from mid 90' or 2000' and it is different story... I think that Poland sold those UN carbon credits. UN and EU credits are not convertible. I'm not sure if this is madness or not. I can tell you one thing, in the 80' in Poland pollution problem was serious, there was no regard toward envirement. There was a time in my home town when in city park trees were white with the powder from cement factory. In 90' Poland started to get civilized and such problems ended. It turned out that if pressed, industry came up with the idea how to use envirement in clean way. This cement factory is still working, still is huge, is profitable but don't pollute anymore. So if the carbon credit system can help keep industry clean then I say it is good thing...

auberopoleThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Nov 21, 09	Nov 26, 09, 14:40 / #
jwojcie: One is UN carbon credits and Poland has plenty of those because UN started counting that somewhere in the 80'. I don't know exactly. Thing is that in the same time Poland bancrupted so willy-nilly Poland managed to reduce gas emission a lot :-) WOW OK really? Thanks for that insight. Regardless of whether its BS or not, its a fact that global companies are all thinking about their carbon emissions, A LOT. It's a trend and we can either resist it and struggle, or embrace and succeed.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Nov 28, 09, 02:41 / #
What does 'climate change' mean?...It has no scientific meaning: Just a taxation scheme...Do not take any carbon credits or wooden nickles.

szczeciniakThreads: 5 Posts: 119 Joined: Sep 8, 09	Nov 28, 09, 11:27 / #
Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax common Aussies link:http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100018003/clima tegate-five-aussie-mps-lead-the-way-by-resigning-in-disgust-over-carbo n-tax/

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 [Suspended]	Nov 27, 09, 14:40 / #
auberopole: and succeed. And how we'd know we succeeded?

auberopoleThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Nov 21, 09	Nov 27, 09, 15:40 / #
If a global company operates in denial of climate change it will lose opportunities in the fast-growing eco-consumer segment. It will also have to react badly to fast-changing environmental regulation especially carbon trading schemes, rather than being proactive and helping to shape the solution. Bzibzioh: And how we'd know we succeeded? I was talking in general terms from the company perspective about long-term growth.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Nov 27, 09, 16:08 / #
Bzibzioh: And how we'd know we succeeded? We will only succeed when China will be compliant.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 [Suspended]	Nov 27, 09, 23:52 / #
auberopole: If a global company operates in denial of climate change it will lose opportunities in the fast-growing eco-consumer segment. It will also have to react badly to fast-changing environmental regulation especially carbon trading schemes, rather than being proactive and helping to shape the solution. A lot of pretty words and a lot of catchy phrases ... The junk science comes stating that humans are the reason of climate change and that we are so powerful what we could actually alter the weather patterns in some way. Gotta love it.