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Question regarding major Polish highway (Wieliczka-Balice)



Kielbasa KidThreads: 2
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Would anybody have any accurate information on the major A4 highway that currently links Wieliczka through to Balice airport and then through to the German border.

I understand eventually this highway will be extended through to the Eastern border with the Ukraine.

One companies website that is selling off plan apartments in this area details the highway extension as being a 'few' years away.

Where I come from a few usually means 1 more than a couple which would mean around 3 years.

How many years is a 'few' in Poland?

Whilst I have no interest in apartments, I am interested in land which will be proximal to the actual route in which this highway will take.
Wroclaw Boy   Feb 25, 09, 10:32 /  #
Kielbasa Kid:
How many years is a 'few' in Poland?

How long is a piece of string?
nierozumiemThreads: 13
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Kielbasa Kid, The current expectation is that the A4 will reach Tarnów by 2011 and Rzeszów by 2012. There is a good amount of working currently taking place on the Kraków to Szarów leg, but it appears to be going quite slow. It is a MASSIVE undertaking, and I don't think anyone believes that it will reach Tarnów prior to 2012/ 2013.

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_A4_(Polska)

You may find a lot of current info and photos at skyscrapercity.com

Where are these off-plan apartments located?
Kielbasa KidThreads: 2
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The developer site that mentioned the highway east being a few years away was at Kopalnia View.

My interest is in finding some acreage budolowana/ rolna piece of land which is near enough to the main trunk line when it goes through, a lifestyle/ holday block for want of a better phrase.

I live in Oz so would be interested more in something in the more hectares range rather than the smaller aras blocks that seem to be heavily advertised in and around Weiliczka.

Something no more than a maximum of around 30/ 40 kms away from Krakow.

Surely there must be some smaller rural communities the highway will pass near before it gets to Tarnow or Rzezsow.

My inlaws suggest to me not to be looking that far east.
plk123Threads: 30
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a few could mean just about anything.. since it seems that Ukraine is floundering about with the europcup, the highway may take even longer to be built then planned. southeast PL is the most depressed of all of the country so that advice from your folks may be right on.
HarryThreads: 62
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Kielbasa Kid:
One companies website that is selling off plan apartments in this area details the highway extension as being a 'few' years away.

Where I come from a few usually means 1 more than a couple which would mean around 3 years.

Let me put it this way: Warsaw airport's Terminal 2 was supposed to open in 2005. Because of delay in the tendering process, construction actually started in 2005. It was then supposed to open in April 2006. However, due to a variety of cock-ups, it actually opened in late 2008. Warsaw's second airport, Modlin, was supposed to open in mid-2005. It is now scheduled for opening in late 2010. The A1 motorway (from Gdansk to Katowice) was started in 2005 and should be some 600km long. As of November, 2008, about one-fifth (106.4 km) of the motorway had been completed. That includes a 17.5 km stretch near Łódź, was built between 1978 and 1989. Current proposed finishing date is 2014....
nierozumiemThreads: 13
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Kielbasa Kid:
Something no more than a maximum of around 30/ 40 kms away from Krakow.

Ok, so that will take you as far as Bochnia, 36 Kilometers from Krakow. The A4 is already half built between Wieliczka and Bochnia, and I would be very surprised if this section were not completed within the next three years. It is pretty much all small villages and farming coummunities in this area.

Kielbasa Kid:
would be interested more in something in the more hectares range

I think you will have trouble finding such a plot. Take a look at the region using Google Satelite, and you will see that the the land is being farmed in very long narrow strips. This is the result of many generations of farmers dividing the land amongst their sons. Some of the plots are of almost comical proportion, for example 15m x 500m, perhaps suitable for farming spaghetti :)

As an example I entered Szarów, Targowisko, and Kłaj into Gratka.com. Almost all of the plots were in the range of 5 - 15 Ar. One of the largest and most interesting was 42 Ar, with the dimensions of 21m x 350m. http://dom.gratka.pl/tresc/21-5130775-malopolskie-szarow.html#ceb7b8ee 855a8804,1
plk123Threads: 30
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nierozumiem:
you will see that the the land is being farmed in very long narrow strips.

true but one owner may be the one who tends a dozen of those strips.. my gramps grew, taters, wheat, buckwheat etc.. he had more then one strip.. all his neighbours did too..
nierozumiemThreads: 13
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plk123:
true but one owner may be the one who tends a dozen of those strips

Very true, but in many cases they do not farm adjoining strips. One plot here, one a few down from that, one on the other side of the hill. I think it would be ideal for farmers trying to sell their plots for building purposes, to join together to sell a number of adjoining plots.

I am speculating that what Kielbasa Kid has in mind is something like a 10 Hectare plot along the dimensions of 300m x 350m. I think he will have a very tough time finding such a plot within 40Km of Kraków and close proximity to the A4.
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