Bloody Priests in Poland...

Quoting: Giles

They were singing and messing about and had obviously irritated the Priest (man of God). So how did this priest deal with this boisterous young kiddy behaviour? We he grab the kid whom he perceived as the most irritating, drag the kid outside shook him violently and told him to go home and not to come back to the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Giles	Dec 18, 07, 08:43 / #
My wife went to a special mass yesterday for her Grandmother, who died several years ago on the 18 Dec. Her family are regular church goers (more fool them) and have known their local priest for years. Now in her local parish church there is the Old priest and a new young one. Anyway She decided to go to confession having not been in a few years. Whilst she wa standing in the queue for the confessional, there were a group of kids no more than 6 or 7 years old. They were singing and messing about and had obviously irritated the Priest (man of God). So how did this priest deal with this boisterous young kiddy behavior? We he grab the kid whom he perceived as the most irritating, drag the kid outside shook him violently and told him to go home and not to come back to the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My wife, severely reprimand the priest for his behavior, to which he replied its none of your business. Can you believe it? Obviously my wife's mother has made a complaint. I'm glad I wasn't there other wise I would have shook the priest violently and if that had been my child, I would have cut his face up. I never question my wife's beliefs too much since I realise this would upset her. But I'm glad this priest showed his true colours.... He was probably angry because this kid wouldn't **** him. I HATE THEM ALL THEY ARE DECEIVERS, ABUSERS AND THIEVES, WHO PRAY OF THE WEAK MINDED, THE POOR AND THE VULNERABLE. Sorry had to get that off my chest.

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,237 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Dec 18, 07, 09:01 / #
I have to agree with you partly, but you cannot make such a sweeping genralisation on all of them. I am not religious at all but my wife is and I respect that, but the first time that a Priest says to my daughter that she will be dammed if she does not do something in the eyes of the church will be the last time she ever steps foot into a church. My wife's uncle was a Priest and he was a true lovely guy, who cared for children, and had a unique relationship with them even though he was in his 80's, he died last year and is missed by a lot of local people who grew up with him who are now in their 30's and 40's and new him in their childhood. I have heard of certain people joining the Priesthood for a career, after all, nice car, nice place to live and such; but this seems a bit strange to me, anyone else heard of this? If this is true, then I think these types of Priests are prime candidates for the type of low level tolerance that you have described above.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Dec 18, 07, 09:43 / #
Quoting: Giles shook him violently and told him to go home and not to come back to the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! obviously he read the bit in the bible where it says....suffer little children , and thought it was an instruction.....I don,t do the church thing myself , but i have respect for those that do...this Priest sounds like he has just lowered the congregation by one child , plus the generation that will follow him....In UK this guy would almost cetainly be out of a job.....

lonelyThreads: 3 Posts: 172 Joined: Nov 26, 07	Dec 18, 07, 09:48 / #
Wow this priest sounds like a bell end!!!

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Dec 18, 07, 10:03 / #
Quoting: Giles They were singing and messing about and had obviously irritated the Priest (man of God). So how did this priest deal with this boisterous young kiddy behaviour? We he grab the kid whom he perceived as the most irritating, drag the kid outside shook him violently and told him to go home and not to come back to the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can understand that women might be over-sensitive but you are man or not? Kid needs to know how to behave in the church and I bet he wont do it again. By the way. If you hate the church so much then perhaps you should not attend masses? Instead crying on message board...

lonelyThreads: 3 Posts: 172 Joined: Nov 26, 07	Dec 18, 07, 10:08 / #
Quoting: lesser Kid needs to know how to behave in the church and I bet he wont do it again. Kids will be kids... if this guy is a man of God then he should show more tollerance. If he intends in driving people away from Church then he may carry right on in his prehistoric manner.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Dec 18, 07, 10:16 / #
Quoting: lonely Kids will be kids... if this guy is a man of God then he should show more tollerance. Yeah, wait till they will put plastic trash basket on his head. Quoting: lonely If he intends in driving people away from Church then he may carry right on in his prehistoric manner. Those who cannot behave should leave. If kid started behave properly, I'm 100% sure nobody would demand to kick him out.

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Edited by: hello Dec 18, 07, 10:28 / #
People of little or no faith only look for occasions to prove they are right. Priests are not saints. If a kid misbehaves (in church, school, or anywhere else he should behave), it should be normal to show him who is in charge (if spoken reprimand don't work, there's no other way than to use physical strength). If he allowed them to misbehave there would be other people who would say: "Oh, so he allows the little bastards to mock him and sing silly songs in the House of God? What kind of a priest he is - the one who doesn't respect his religion and the Holy Church". So give people a point of view and they can always prove their point if they want to. When I was in Poland as a kid, I was a couple of times "shaken" by a priest too because I was behaving disrespectful. But it teached me the lesson to become a better person. Nowadays people allow their kids too much freedom and then they disrespect their parents or older people in general.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Dec 18, 07, 10:34 / #
I remember when I was a kid (about 14) and some of the older kids were on my junior school roof (naughty boys) and my church was next to the school and at the back of the church was the friary - anyway one of the priests came out called them little bastard* and told them get off the roof...priests are only human, it was quite normal to get a clip round the ear of a priest if he caught you missbehaving.....

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Dec 18, 07, 10:49 / #
Kids of this age , 6 or 7 , do not need to be shaken or barred from the church in order to be taught respect....The parents should have taught them to behave in church , but they were not fire bombing the church , they were just running around and singing , not something God would find offensive i think......

_Sofi_	Edited by: _Sofi_ Dec 18, 07, 14:19 / #
The kids should have turned the other cheek obviously. How dare they. J/K - If I were a parent to these children I would report him to the police, for he has no right (and clearly less morals than expected) to manhandle anyone. He should have had a quiet word to whoever was with the children to monitor their behaviour better. Honestly... I remember seeing (and possibly partaking, I can't remember) in worse behaviour in chapel than a little noise at confession. My brothers certainly caused some disturbances - once my brother was up on the back of the seats and jupming from one to the next whilst singing. The worst thing that would happen would be my mother getting embarassed, stopping him and apologising after mass. Kids will be kids - so adults should be adults (have a little control...but not abuse it). Edit: I feel I should add this is no need to blame all priests - ours was fantastic. And patient. Nor should it be implied that this priest is abusive in any other way...

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Dec 18, 07, 17:04 / #
Quoting: ukpolska Quoting: lesser Children should be afraid WOW!!!!, I guess you are not a parent, and if you are god help your children!! The next time when you quote my sentence, please quote whole sentence. This is bad custom to post out-of-context quotations. Quoting: BubbaWoo you have yet to understand the english sense of humour It looks like I really need, apparently others posters in this thread have good sense of humor :)

BuddyThreads: 7 Posts: 180 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Edited by: Buddy Dec 18, 07, 18:42 / #
"Somebody who openly admits that he hate the church and priests is not a reliable witness." True actually, you've a very strong point. However, i wasn't a witness, rather my Catholic wife was a witness as was her brother. I know her well enough to realise she isn't a hysteric and for her to scold a priest given her upbringing is because genuinely thought his actions were wrong. Her point being really how could she go to confession and confess her sins to a man who couldn't control himself? As for my general phobia of all things holy. Keeping my own emotions in check is not easy regarding the wole religious thing and I apologies for the seeming extremism I exude but i feel very passionatel about the subject of religions and the God(s).

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Edited by: z_darius Dec 19, 07, 06:11 / #
I say leave te priest alone! Just think about it. No holy inquisition handy, no stakes to throw a match at. Realities simply limit priests's option. He defended the almighty and his hous, he did what what was nesessary for the glory of god, his son and the holy spirit. amen. Quoting: lesser This "violently" part is just Giles fantasy. Somebody who openly admits that he hate the church and priests is not a reliable witness. Like a friend of mine said (while trying to wiggle himself out of jury duty): "I don't need no courts. I see a guy and I know right away if he's guilty or not"

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Dec 18, 07, 11:43 / #
Quoting: wildrover they were just running around and singing , not something God would find offensive i think An eye for an eye - the priest should have waited for a really inconvenient moment for those kids then disrupted them by running around and singing.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Dec 18, 07, 14:23 / #
Quoting: Giles if that had been my child, I would have cut his face up. quite rightly so, kids should be set examples at a young age and there is no better example than violence solves everything

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Dec 18, 07, 14:48 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo quite rightly so, kids should be set examples at a young age and there is no better example than violence solves everything What a nonsense... What violence? He shook him a bit and this is all. Children should be afraid that if they misbehave, proper punishment is very likely. I witness great fall of behavior of Polish children since the times I was one. Since that time (not so long ago after all) children are way more rude, violent and have little respect for adults. Thus all of these countless media reports. Current generation of parents failed somehow to copy methods of their own parent. Stupid concept of raising children without "pressure" came from the west, promoted by media. When I was a kid, you could not see children walking in the middle of the street smoking cigarettes or swearing shamelessly. Other adults would quickly teach them how to behave! Now adults are afraid of such children and this is sick. This should be other way around! Same about teachers...

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,237 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Edited by: ukpolska Dec 18, 07, 15:37 / #
Quoting: lesser Children should be afraid WOW!!!!, I guess you are not a parent, and if you are god help your children!! Children should never be afraid of anything but learn responsible ways to behave from their parents, it seems that it was simply just a case of kids doing kids things. Quoting: lesser Children should be afraid that if they misbehave, proper punishment is very likely. This puts me in fear for your future children :O(

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Edited by: BubbaWoo Dec 18, 07, 15:43 / #
Quoting: lesser What a nonsense... you have yet to understand the english sense of humour it also looks as though you didnt read what was written properly

me again	Dec 18, 07, 18:18 / #
Slapping a child on the backside is one thing the potential for damage is limited. But an adult violently shaking a 6 or 7 year old is downright dangerous. Children are fragile creatures and most adult have no sense of their own strength. Shaken young children is a dangerous thing to do. Not only that but the psychology of being shaken at, shouted at and sent home from the church will in combination reside in the kids subconscious. Had the Priest waked over to the child explained quietly what he was doing wrong slap him on the legs and sent him home to his parents to explain what he had done wrong....then...that may have we have been acceptable. But losing control and showing rage to children is not acceptable. Especially given the amount of respect and weight of indispensability that rests on Priest shoulder in provincial catholic countries, it is a major faux pas. Quoting: Giles if that had been my child, I would have cut his face up. Okay perhaps a little OTT, however, if you had been their and that had been you're kid, the least most people would do would grab if not punch the Priest. "I can understand that women might be over-sensitive but you are man or not? Kid needs to know how to behave in the church and I bet he wont do it again." My wife acted with alot more restraint than I would have , my kid or no. Secondly Priests need to know how to behave in he church. The kid has probably had the fear of God put into him (lol). But to me in just sounds like bullying and ruling by fear. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Christian God is supposedly a God of love and Priests are his envoys. This priest needs to return to his Seminary and study more, he is missing the point. I'll grant ou Jesus whipped and beat the money lenders in the temple, but that was a (w)hol(l)y different case.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Dec 18, 07, 18:26 / #
Quoting: me again But an adult violently shaking a 6 or 7 year old is downright dangerous. This "violently" part is just Giles fantasy. Somebody who openly admits that he hate the church and priests is not a reliable witness.

lefThreads: 13 Posts: 564 Joined: Jun 27, 06	Dec 18, 07, 19:07 / #
Quoting: lesser This "violently" part is just Giles fantasy If that is the Giles who regularly posted on this thread, I would have to agree 100%, It depends on what time of day he posts (if you get the point) hmmm

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,237 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Edited by: ukpolska Dec 19, 07, 00:19 / #
Quoting: lesser Quoting: ukpolska Quoting: lesser Children should be afraid WOW!!!!, I guess you are not a parent, and if you are god help your children!! The next time when you quote my sentence, please quote whole sentence. This is bad custom to post out-of-context quotations. How is this out of context????? And if this is all you can do to wriggle out of some improper statement then that's pretty dam lame!!!! I repeat, children should never be controlled by fear and if you advocate this method then you have real problems!!!

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Dec 19, 07, 02:28 / #
Children should be seen and not heard as my grandmother used to say :) Kids are little feckers these days and have little or no respect...

lonelyThreads: 3 Posts: 172 Joined: Nov 26, 07	Edited by: lonely Dec 19, 07, 02:37 / #
Quoting: wildrover not something God would find offensive i think...... You're right there matey... what is the problem with a kid having a laugh and a bit of a sing along? lol Quoting: osiol the priest should have waited for a really inconvenient moment for those kids then disrupted them by running around and singing. Now here's a dude with an imagination...

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,975 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Edited by: Foreigner4 Dec 19, 07, 02:57 / #
Quoting: Giles I HATE THEM ALL THEY ARE DECEIVERS, ABUSERS AND THIEVES, WHO PRAY OF THE WEAK MINDED, THE POOR AND THE VULNERABLE. Amen! Quoting: ShelleyS Kids are little feckers these days and have little or no respect... Halleluja!

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Dec 19, 07, 04:26 / #
Quoting: ukpolska How is this out of context????? You quote first part of sentence and comment it avoiding second part which completely change the sense. Classical out of context. Quoting: lonely what is the problem with a kid having a laugh and a bit of a sing along? Nothing as long as they do so in proper place.

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Dice Dec 19, 07, 04:31 / #
Quoting: Giles he grab the kid whom he perceived as the most irritating, drag the kid outside shook him violently and told him to go home and not to come back to the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, let's see. What would have happened if it wasn't a priest but a teacher instead? 1. A teacher would have immediately lost his/her job. 2. The police would’ve been notified by the school principle - regardless if any witnesses or the parents would have called the cops or not. 3. The authorities would have filed charges and the D.A. would've probably put a PPO on him, where he/she would've been forbidden within a certain distance from any school and/or children gatherings. That means a move like this would’ve been a career ending move for a teacher. Now, what do you think will happen to this priest? Depending on the country in which this accident has happened - most likely just a talk in some higher-in-rank priest's office: "Listen, Brother Adolf, we can't do that anymore, these are not the good old days, you know." That is it. No wonder the Catholic Church is on a brink of extinction all over the world!

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Dec 19, 07, 04:43 / #
Quoting: Dice That means a move like this would’ve been a career ending move for a teacher. And this is sick! In communist era school this would be impossible! A little advice for all those who dislike Catholic Church so much. You will avoid all "troubles" if you wont attend masses! One could think that this is obvious for everybody but apparently it is not...

lonelyThreads: 3 Posts: 172 Joined: Nov 26, 07	Edited by: lonely Dec 19, 07, 05:57 / #
Quoting: lesser Nothing as long as they do so in proper place And Church is no place for a laugh and a sing song????... that reminds me why i never go. Get real. Why not remove the seats and put in barbed spikes to sit on? Then there would be pain instead of comfort.