Consider going back to Poland?

Seanus:

WB is right, it is a process of attrition here. Lack of appreciation, boorish behaviour and ignorance of duties are commonplace. I can't function in such an environment, there is neither incentive nor growth in this country. Religious people? Spiritually devoid is what I tend to see.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,855 Joined: Dec 9, 09	Edited by: f stop Dec 14, 09, 04:24 / #
I would love to go back to Poland, but, I'm ashamed to admit, I cannot give up the warm Florida weather. It's that simple. I prefer Polish people to Americans on almost every level, but every time I go north, the weather depresses the sh!t out of me.

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,994 Joined: Nov 3, 09	Dec 14, 09, 09:27 / #
http://ww6.tvp.pl/7478,20091125944709.strona their polish is great. almost no mistakes. I would hope so. That guy's been living in Poland over 20 years. From what i see, chinese immigrants in canada are the worst when it comes to integration. it's the same in the USA. I would love to go back to Poland, but, I'm ashamed to admit, I cannot give up the warm Florida weather. It's that simple. I prefer Polish people to Americans on almost every level, but every time I go north, the weather depresses the sh!t out of me. agreed. after 3 years here, I am certain that I need to move somewhere warm......for good. Poland consists of no less than 7 months a year of cold, wet depressing weather.

drow21Threads: 2 Posts: 68 Joined: Dec 13, 09	Dec 14, 09, 09:53 / #
FUZZYWICKETS then i advise not the uk then because its more like 10, months of said weather

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Dec 14, 09, 10:32 / #
polishcanuck: I must say, everytime i hear a brit say that he/she finds poland a better place to live than the UK, i think to myself, "WTF is wrong with that island?" That is one hell of a sweeping generalisation. Could you not imagine many Brits in Poland getting paid well above avergae wages for just teaching English and living a comparative highlife in comparison to the average Pole? Youre only listening to a few opinions of Brits on this forum the majority have no intention what so ever of leaving Britian. I think you need to do some reading here yourself seeing as youre always advising me too, if PF is your source for such generalisations you really need step into the real world son. 80% of the Brits in Poland are here with Polish wives and girlfriends, its also the reason why we dominate this Forum 1,000,000 Poles emmigrating to the UK will have that affect you see. When moving to another country to live you need stay positive, I personally cant imagine many of the Brits that have relocated over here staying for the long term. It grinds you down after a while and you said yourself: polishcanuck: Having lived in canada nearly my whole life, I couldn't imagine moving to poland. Thats interesting as i remember a post written by you that in order to understand Poles you need to live in Poland, yet you claim to be an expert on all issues and youve only lived here for what 2 years? and you were probably only a baby then - what a joke. Tell you what wait a few years and lets see if you ever complain about the Canadian government, tax or immigration or anything else that you dont agree with. Then you'll understand and be on even par.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 14, 09, 11:01 / #
I think I could find a better job there, no problem. You just need good contacts. WB is right, it is a process of attrition here. Lack of appreciation, boorish behaviour and ignorance of duties are commonplace. I can't function in such an environment, there is neither incentive nor growth in this country. Religious people? Spiritually devoid is what I tend to see.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Dec 14, 09, 12:14 / #
Seanus: WB is right, it is a process of attrition here. Lack of appreciation, boorish behaviour and ignorance of duties are commonplace. I can't function in such an environment, there is neither incentive nor growth in this country. Religious people? Spiritually devoid is what I tend to see. Ain't you taking it a little bit over the top? The country is growing, slowly but surely in some places, and pretty fast in others. I rarely see you generalizing at all. Had a bad day eh?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 14, 09, 12:29 / #
I meant in people, not GDP. I try not to generalise right enough. Poland's GDP has really soared in recent years. I dunno, frd, I just see so many self piteous and hard done by types. It gets hard to live with that but I always encounter some good students who can lift the mood and enjoy things.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Dec 14, 09, 12:35 / #
Seanus: I can't function in such an environment, there is neither incentive nor growth in this country. are you planning on staying here for good?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Dec 14, 09, 12:45 / #
Does 'if this is my life then take it' answer your question? I wanted to leave after 2 years. My wife has lived with me for almost 3 years now so I was focussed on making things work. I can only see complications now. How might I describe my life at this juncture? Awkward stability! Listen to Nutshell by Alice in Chains and you will get an idea of some emotions am I currently going through. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_GPxe91hWE, this says so many things.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Dec 14, 09, 12:58 / #
Seanus: I meant in people, not GDP. I try not to generalise right enough. Oh, I didn't get it outright. Anyways, sorry if I sounded rude. I know what you mean with students, at least I think I do - people here sometimes are all cheerful, good hearted until "the man" grinds them into the other shape - a vicious circle, sort of. I never like the very man for himself way of living and working.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Dec 14, 09, 13:09 / #
I can only speak for teamwork in IT, and from my knowledge it's pretty good, in student projects at my uni and at my work I had a pretty good atmosphere around, good management. For some reason all the geeks at work have always really good sense of humour so if there's a moment of not working we you usually joke at ourselves. And if there's work there's no oppresion, people are helpful. I know it's not like that in every company I heard about lots of scary stories about companies that are being called "biedronka for programmers" ;) On the other hand I'm just renovating a flat in a block of flats before moving there in few months and the "team of builders" that we hired is working on my nerves most of the time - they do such stupid things I would have never suspect anyone to do. For instance they have made wholes for wires for lamps that will be on each side of the mirror in the bathroom one 30 cm lower than the other, now how stupid can somebody be to not notice that usually lamps are parallel on the wall. They didn't even bother to ask. It's good we have noticed that before lying the tiles.. many more such situations and they are slow as hell.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Dec 14, 09, 13:12 / #
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8410645.stm, maybe these people shouldn't consider coming back for risk of being caught. 4 of the 10 are Polish and that's unfortunate. Poland will be glad to see the back of those types. You are right, Seanny. My core is positive and I always fight negative stuff. Some here love spreading a bad vibe around and that's their way but I haven't suffered from SAD before and I don't plan to start now. You just need to stake out your path and follow it. If people want to impose their negativity on me, they'll get a rude awakening! Frd, that's right. I cannot imagine the frustration and anger at having laid tiles, only to find that sb had made a hash of another part of the job.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Dec 14, 09, 13:16 / #
Seanus: My core is positive We can see that. Seanus: You just need to stake out your path and follow it. Yep. Seanus: If people want to impose their negativity on me, they'll get a rude awakening! Ah, emotional vampires are not worth interacting with, they feed off any and all reactions, even rude awakernings, best look after yourself and your family :) frd: I can only speak for teamwork in IT, and from my knowledge it's pretty good Finally some good vibrations :) frd: they do such stupid things I would have never suspect anyone to do. I think this is the problem with paying people by the month, no matter what they do, they get paid the same. It happens everywhere, I have seen it so many times it is astounding but you live and learn, next time you'll be a bit better at spotting them.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Dec 14, 09, 13:27 / #
SeanBM: I think this is the problem with paying people by the month, no matter what they do, they get paid the same. It happens everywhere, I have seen it so many times it is astounding but you live and learn, next time you'll be a bit better at spotting them. I'm not that angry, but indeed it is frustrating. It's partially my fault If I had planned everything much much earlier I would have chosen a crew recommended by somebody I know. And they are hurting themselves because nobody gonna recommend them if they are gonna slack off and make the employer loose money. Yeach it is like that everywhere if it wasn't there would be so many jokes about these repairing and renovating teams. SeanBM: Finally some good vibrations :) It's really a matter of luck and stubbornness to look for something better after you stumble upon a job with bad vibes. There are places where they'll tell you we are a family, you know everyone by name and after work you go to a pub. And there are some over formal ones when you don't talk to anyone you have your own personal space, you tick for 8 hours and go home without saying a word...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 14, 09, 13:02 / #
Nah, you didn't sound rude at all. How about some Poles here speak of successful teamwork in projects?! This will show the unity towards a given cause.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Dec 14, 09, 13:03 / #
Jeez people, I know this time of year can be depressing but come on! If you don't like your situation, change it, it doesn't have to mean moving country. I have started a whole new regime for myself to beat the short cold days. It must be working because when I read what is written here, I do not feel that way in the least. There are probably lots of things you'd like to do, so do them, don't ponder on the negative, it only leads to more negativity. Just thought I'd say that, Seanny :)

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Dec 14, 09, 13:27 / #
f stop: I prefer Polish people to Americans on almost every level, Typical.. facking clown.. hopefully an alligator bites your a.ss.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,855 Joined: Dec 9, 09	Dec 14, 09, 13:49 / #
scrappleton Hey simppleton - you forgot your medication.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Edited by: scrappleton Dec 14, 09, 14:22 / #
f stop: you forgot your medication. I won't forget to put my foot in your ass if I see you down there. Should send your butt to Cuba.. since you don't like our company. WTF.. I'll bet you're a real treasure too. Probably di.cking around on some construction site or something.

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Dec 14, 09, 14:36 / #
SeanBM: If you don't like your situation, change it, it doesn't have to mean moving country. Heh, late autumn... I recently finally comprehended that every time I'm thinking about some new job is in late autumn. I suppose it is all about sun and biology.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,855 Joined: Dec 9, 09	Dec 14, 09, 15:18 / #
simpleton If you see me down there?? Send me to Cuba (which, BTW I like)??? What are you, 12? Why do you hang around Polish forums?

FloripaThreads: 4 Posts: 56 Joined: Aug 12, 09	Dec 14, 09, 17:26 / #
I recently found Poland through the woman that I love. She is from Gdynia. I left England 24 years ago to live in Spain. I married a Spanish girl and have two young daughters. I'm now divorced but still live in Spain. I’ve just bought a property in Gdynia and plan to visit often. My humble view on this thread bears some resemblance with that of Wroclaw Boy when he mentions that most people are living in Poland or are on PF because of personal relationships with poles. I have a business in Brazil but I do not have the same enthusiasm for Brazil as I do for Poland for this very reason (and before any wise guy has a crack at me for being stupid, let me tell you I find my polish GF has more about her than any of the Brazilian women I’ve met) Living as an individual for some years in a foreign country (as I did before marrying) is not comparable to someone who is committed themselves not only to their partner but everything that involves and surrounds a way of life within that country and its culture. Some people can manage it while others can’t. I’ve seen lots of people leave Spain after a few years because they couldn’t integrate, and that’s here on the Costa del Sol….Sun, sand and more Brits than the UK. So I’m sure Poland must have its difficulties. I have no intention of returning to the UK, but only because I have carved out a way of life that suits me. I love Spain and I am finding my way in Poland little by little. I have a new family and the whole experience is exhilarating. I am very English and nothing will ever change this, I also feel a little Spanish and now I’m learning about Poland. However my perception on how, why, where and when things happen to me has been partly due to the fact that I left England to have this adventure, and that’s what it is. Some people stay all their life’s in the same town where they grew up and they’re happy, others not. To live in any foreign country is difficult but always rewarding whether the stay was long or short. So for those who have experienced the Polish way of life, be grateful, whether good or bad.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 14, 09, 17:51 / #
Did you get the marriage thing sorted out, Floripa? It was you that asked about the Catholic divorce papers, right?

FloripaThreads: 4 Posts: 56 Joined: Aug 12, 09	Dec 14, 09, 17:59 / #
No Seanus, not at the moment. I got your mail and thanks. It's a touchy subject and will take a little consideration on both of our parts.

bolekThreads: 10 Posts: 369 Joined: Sep 13, 08	Dec 15, 09, 01:28 / #
Seanus: WB is right, it is a process of attrition here. Lack of appreciation, boorish behaviour and ignorance of duties are commonplace. I can't function in such an environment, there is neither incentive nor growth in this country. Religious people? Spiritually devoid is what I tend to see. hmmm, unlike these sort of comments coming from you, I always believed that for a religious country it doesn't reflect the actions of a lot of people, but this occurs everywhere, by way of example you see that when a mafia person is buried, they make out the person is a saint, the priest is happy because he is paid well by the family. Poland has not changed it has always been the way it is, you just haven't seen it, you probably been seeing it wearing rose colored glasses. The point being a lot of people from GB etc who arrived in Poland say 5/10 years age could live it cheap and buy at ridiculous prices, things have now changed and there are no more bargains, whether you live in the blighty or Poland you have the same buying power, the scales have been adjusted. You sometimes have to say to yourself wtf am I doing here?

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,855 Joined: Dec 9, 09	Dec 15, 09, 01:38 / #
One of the things I miss the most is Polish hospitality. Sure I have many friends here, but God forbid I inadvertently show up during their dinner time! In Poland, it's almost better to visit then, save the hostess having to drag all the food back to the table. Is it still like that?

hancockThreads: 1 Posts: 118 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Dec 15, 09, 03:02 / #
try toronto

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Dec 15, 09, 11:43 / #
bolek: You sometimes have to say to yourself wtf am I doing here? You live in Poland, right? you are Polish, right? Have you ever lived out side of Poland for any length of time?

bolekThreads: 10 Posts: 369 Joined: Sep 13, 08	Dec 15, 09, 21:41 / #
SeanBM: Have you ever lived out side of Poland for any length of time? I don't know what this has to do with the price of eggs in China Sean, the fact remains a lot of people who came to Poland with some money were able to buy wonders and live off the smell of a oily rag, because of this they didn't consider the negative factors, now that the pendulum has swung around and its not so hanky dory, these same people are complaining about everything. Poland has not changed it has still a lot, a lot of negatives, the people need to change. Life expectancy in Poland is male 71 and female 79, does this mean living in Poland is also a early death sentance?? hmm. Think about it hmm. Sean there is more to life than worrying about how much money I don't have, and what I should be doing in life. Try to enjoy the Polish lifestyle.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Dec 16, 09, 17:05 / #
bolek: I don't know what this has to do with the price of eggs in China It obviously has absolutely nothing to do with such nonsense. If you do not want to answer a direct question and not engage in any further discussion with me, that is fine. bolek: Sean there is more to life than worrying about how much money I don't have, and what I should be doing in life. I have never inquired in to how much material wealth you have or what life you should be living and you know that well. And I consider it an insult, on your part, that you are dragging me in to what you assume without substance, as I have never been so low as to indicate such things. bolek: Try to enjoy the Polish lifestyle. I have stated all across these boards that I enjoy my life, so now you are so low as to presume I do not and offer advise??? So next time you PM me asking me questions, I will continue not to answer them as you are exactly the type of person I do not wish to interact with on any kind of personal level, as even now with no information you try to drag me into your world, no thank you.