Handguns Not Needed in Poland?

Babinich:

Between 1995 and 2004, handgun murders in Texas dropped by 18 percent. Gun owners proved to be much less likely than their peers to be arrested for non-violent crimes and violent crimes, including murder. And even though Texas (in 2004) had a population three million larger than when the bill was passed, the overall crime rate was lower in 2004-5,032 crimes per 100,000 Texans, as opposed to 5,478 crimes per 100,000.

optsThreads: 12 Posts: 333 Joined: Jul 29, 06	Edited by: opts Dec 27, 09, 13:45 / #
I think that all Poles should be allowed to have guns. So that, after getting drunk, they can shoot at each other. I live in the State of Arizona where halfwits can own and carry guns.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09	Edited by: convex Dec 27, 09, 13:50 / #
The real question is why are our societies becoming more violent in general? Violent crime is on the rise in the EU at a crazy rate. Trying to blame guns is avoiding the issue. The murder rate in San Jose is 3.3/100,000, 10 miles away the murder rate in Oakland is 28.6/100,000... exact same gun laws, that is, fairly restrictive by US standards. Lets take a look at good ole Tejas where gun laws are a bit looser. In Dallas, people are getting murdered at a rate of 13.3/100,000, while right next door in Fort Worth, the rate drops to 7.0/100,000...drive south a bit further and you get to Austin with 3.1/100,000. Why are the rates for San Jose and Fort Worth so different to Oakland and Dallas? That's the question that needs to be answered. Apparently guns don't really make all that much of a difference. edit Just to throw some more statistics, took a look at the census information for Austin, Dallas, and Fort Worth. The most interesting is Dallas and Ft. Worth. Right next to each other, Ft. Worth is poorer, about the same level of education, close to the same demographics, but yet your chances of being murdered are almost twice as high 15 miles to the east in Dallas. Austin percentage white 65 percentage black 10 percentage identifying themselves as hispanic (or mixed hispanic) 36 percentage with high school diploma 83 percentage with at least bachelors degree 40 personal income per capita 24,163 Dallas w 50 b 26 h 35 hs 70 ba 28 inc 22,183 Ft. Worth w 59 b 20 h 30 hs 72 ba 22 inc 18,800

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Dec 27, 09, 14:29 / #
Babinich: Between 1995 and 2004, handgun murders in Texas dropped by 18 percent. Gun owners proved to be much less likely than their peers to be arrested for non-violent crimes and violent crimes, including murder. And even though Texas (in 2004) had a population three million larger than when the bill was passed, the overall crime rate was lower in 2004-5,032 crimes per 100,000 Texans, as opposed to 5,478 crimes per 100,000. What about the child thats angry with other kids bullying him at school, he knows where daddys gun is kept, where the bullets are everything. How many more mass murders does America need, once Obama gets through national health guess whats next?? yep thats right. Its no surprise that you support it B you always go against the grain. More guns = more deaths caused by guns, that is a no brainer.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Dec 27, 09, 17:26 / #
convex: The real question is why are our societies becoming more violent in general? Credit crunch, recession, repossession of people's homes and rising unemployment. Bank robberies have dramatically increased in Ireland since all of this.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,583 Joined: Jul 13, 09	Edited by: TheOther Dec 27, 09, 20:47 / #
scrappleton: Disarmament would be extremely dangerous in US at this juncture given the amount of criminals that have guns now. I agree. Maybe we should pass a law that prohibits the sale of amunition. Not against the constitution, I'd guess.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09	Edited by: convex Dec 29, 09, 22:51 / #
TheOther: I agree. Maybe we should pass a law that prohibits the sale of amunition. Not against the constitution, I'd guess. reloading isn't rocket science Some sad news today from the land of no guns http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/8433756.stm

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 236 Joined: Nov 17, 09	Dec 29, 09, 23:07 / #
Read some books-Aronson is good(american scientist by the way).It's proven that if you have weapon,and I don't think only about guns,you will get more violent.Although I agree that in US it may be difficult to get rid of guns.

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 437 Joined: Oct 16, 09	Dec 29, 09, 23:26 / #
In some situatoins there is nothing wrong with being more violent. If you are attacked by bandit, you should become as violent as possible. And more.

LenkaThreads: - Posts: 236 Joined: Nov 17, 09	Dec 30, 09, 11:28 / #
Of course gun can be useful but in general I'm glad that we have in Poland so strict law against guns.In many situations guns only make problems-I've heard of some man killed because he wanted to ask for directions and entred some property.AS to the main point in Poland we have couple different types of permition for a gun-for sport,for home protection(it stays in home),for protection of yourself and other people(you can travel with it).It's not all and in each of this categories there is certain types of gun allowed.So be prepared for problems if you want to have gun in Poland.Remember also that not only guns are not allowed-other kinds of weapon as well.

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Edited by: Babinich Dec 30, 09, 11:43 / #
Wroclaw Boy "What about the child thats angry with other kids bullying him at school, he knows where daddys gun is kept, where the bullets are everything. How many more mass murders does America need, once Obama gets through national health guess whats next?? yep thats right." Sure it is a tragedy; the gun should be secured at home. The larger question is why an adolescent would think that murdering someone is a net positive. The Tabula Rasa will never go after guns. He'd lose that fight hands down. Right now, the Tabula Rasa is busy trying to convince (making a statement three days after the incident and after his DHS admin says the system works) the citizens of this country that he's capable of keeping them safe. The last I've heard is that he's tired... Poor baby... http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/29/us/politics/AP-US-Tired-Oba ma.html

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Dec 30, 09, 12:01 / #
TheOther: Maybe we should pass a law that prohibits the sale of amunition. Now that is an interesting prospect that might work and right, theoretically not against the constitution. NRA's lobby is sadly too strong for it to come off the ground though. However, it would work I think, you'd have to show id to the clerk who could cross reference to a database.. any felonies = no ammo. Limit 3 boxes per 6 months or something or some kind of rational allotment. Who knows, more cops get killed like in Seattle this might come to fruition.

awayguy	Dec 30, 09, 12:19 / #
No need for guns in Poland not dangerous enough over here. Even if you wanted a gun you must be /have : Speak polish / Polish Citizen Be a member of a gun / hunting club Do a theoretical and practical test / exams. Lots of fees and paperwork take like a year... Thats Poland for u !! good luck

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09	Dec 30, 09, 14:30 / #
scrappleton: Now that is an interesting prospect that might work and right, theoretically not against the constitution. NRA's lobby is sadly too strong for it to come off the ground though. Here's a better solution. Seeing as 90% of gun crimes are committed with stolen weapons, how about imposing life sentences on possession of a stolen firearm (plus a requirement to register stolen weapons with the police)? This wouldn't infringe on private sales as anyone can make a call to the police station and perform pre-buy due diligence. The NRA supports this position. That would make selling or receiving a stolen weapon much more risky, and ultimately drive up the price. The laws on the books right now for possession of a stolen firearm are more or less a slap on the wrist. How about life sentences anytime a gun or other deadly weapon is used in a crime? The NRA also supports strong sentences for people that break the law. Enforcing and strengthening exisiting laws seems a much more logical approach than putting new ones on the books.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Dec 30, 09, 18:25 / #
awayguy: Speak polish / Polish Citizen Be a member of a gun / hunting club Do a theoretical and practical test / exams. Lots of fees and paperwork take like a year... Thats Poland for u !! good luck Most of that can be forgotton about with a good old healthy hefty bribe though.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09	Dec 30, 09, 18:30 / #
Wroclaw Boy as usually SWEET, you became so polish