Haunted Homes in Poland

SeanBM:

santander:
there is no answer, because nonone has come back from the dead to explain.

That is exactly NOT what mediums are saying and that is my exact point.
They are using other peoples grief, shame and hurt to manipulate them and deceive them.
A lot of them are scumbag con-artists who tell you lies about your dead relatives.

santander:
If we look at things from a scientific viewpoint

Have you looked, honestly? or are you trying to make a point without knowing the facts?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Nov 14, 09, 20:59 / #
Seanus: No, as proof has more ambit than you are giving it, Seanny. Proof beyond reasonable doubt, 100% proof and on the balance of probabilities are very different standards of proof, wouldn't you say? Seanus: we still class ghosts as fear of the unknown. So you are arguing that there is not enough proof that people commuted ritual human sacrifice because I did not see it,even though there is physical evidence and entertain the idea that people saw ghosts? Wroclaw Boy: capital punishment. Human sacrifice is the act of killing human beings as part of a religious ritual (ritual killing). Its typology closely parallels the various practices of ritual slaughter of animals (animal sacrifice) and of religious sacrifice in general. Human sacrifice has been practiced in various cultures throughout history. Victims were typically ritually killed in a manner that was supposed to please or appease gods read the link :) And maybe these grieving people deserve to be ripped off? naw mate.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Nov 14, 09, 21:00 / #
SeanBM: I'll stick with Human sacrifice then, Interesting, what will the 2100's say about us? Ohh they killed poor innocent Ted Bundy he was only murdering for company they just didnt understand him. Lets not forget that 100's of years ago 1000's even by your quote murder wasnt such a great crime. Like oih you wheres my suger? "what you dont have it wham? have some of that". and the wild west, first to draw and aim straight won with is life. I suppose thats the same as punchng someone on the nose right now.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 14, 09, 21:06 / #
I'm saying that I'm not aware of the proof as that area doesn't interest me but that, as a well-documented thing, it may well be true. However, the Racak massacre was well-documented as a Serbian crime but there is res noviter veniens ad notitiam, new evidence newly coming to light that that is not the case. You see, media can twist anything. Watch your sources! A little mystery has to be kept in life.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Nov 14, 09, 21:07 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Interesting, what will the 2100's say about us? Ohh they killed poor innocent Ted Bundy he was only murdering for company they just didnt understand him. Very good question, very bad example. Using reasoning and rational thinking it is still wrong to allow a man to murder people. But hopefully we will be able to understand serial killers and prevent them from murdering someday. Wroclaw Boy: Lets not forget that 100's of years ago 1000's even by your quote murder wasnt such a great crime. That is all a matter of who and why you murdered them and of course they called it kill, justified or a gift, not murder. Wroclaw Boy: and the wild west, first to draw and aim straight won with is life. I suppose thats the same as punchng someone on the nose right now. For sure parts of the world that we consider civilized today were not always this safe. There are many witch hunts, gladiators, dictators, superstitions (remember the blare witch project?:) and so called 'justified' killings today. Seanus: A little mystery has to be kept in life. There is enough mystery in this life to keep us all very busy for all our lives without this bull con-artist crap, it is just a distraction.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 14, 09, 21:10 / #
Well, WB seems to have bought it ;)

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Nov 14, 09, 21:18 / #
Seanus: Well, WB seems to have bought it ;) Bought! what are you talking about? SeanBM: Using reasoning and rational thinking Its rational to believe that what many people consider as a ghostly encounter is reasonably true.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 14, 09, 21:23 / #
I meant John Edwards. You seem to believe in what he does and Seanny doesn't. As long as you can back up your position, there's no problem. It's like religion, some people have faith and some don't.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Nov 14, 09, 21:30 / #
Seanus: I meant John Edwards. What? he holds the world record for the triple jump at an astonoshing 18.29 Meters, never been touched since. Irony aside he was a faithfull bible basher till 2007 when he lost his faith. I dont know why. You confused? Thats not the exact issue with SeanBM and I, its just one of many. Sorry, were talking Johnathan Edwards the medium. Watch his show, see what you think.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 14, 09, 21:31 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Its rational to believe that what many people consider as a ghostly encounter is reasonably true. On that same false logic, it would be 'reasonable' to assume that human sacrifice is okay because so many people from so many different parts of the world did it. That is not rational, that is just believing people are doing what they tell you they believe they are doing. Seanus: It's like religion, some people have faith and some don't. The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Nov 14, 09, 21:35 / #
SeanBM: On that same false logic, it would be 'reasonable' to assume that human sacrifice is okay because so many people from so many different parts of the world did it. On that logic it would be correct to assume that genocide is acceptable as so many fractions of the world have committed it. Deep rooted - right or wrong prevails albeit 2000 BC or 2009. Its always occured, come on. Everybody now or 3000 years ago knows whats right or wrong, imagine yourself a little bit hairier with a sub standard vocabulary stadning with a huge axe aloft. Youre gonna chop someones head off, yeh? That job would have been given to the killers of that age..

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 14, 09, 21:36 / #
Exactly, Seanny. Times move on and conventional wisdom changes. WB, I remember that guy. I must admit, they appear convincing as mediums but it's sleight of hand and tricking of the eye. Good to watch, though :)

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Nov 14, 09, 22:23 / #
SeanBM: Wroclaw Boy: told you something no body else could ever know What exactly? I dont know how about why did you steel Mrs Smiths Milk? Perhaps Mrs Smith told the spirits.. SeanBM: If I used a trick and i could tell you something no body else could ever know about you, what would you think? If you told me something that only I ever knew about, years before id even met you, youd freak me out big time. But im not talking about me or anybody else, its if a spirit told you..

RakkyThreads: 10 Posts: 284 Joined: May 23, 07	Nov 17, 09, 14:04 / #
George8600: Paranormal Activity No. I heard this film being equated with that other low-budget home-made "horror" flick that was so incredibly boring that I had to leave the theater (the scariest thing put forth in an hour was a pile of rocks). A co-worker said that her husband had to sleep with the lights on for a few nights after seeing it, but I'm still not interested.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Nov 17, 09, 15:17 / #
Rakky: George8600: Paranormal Activity No. I heard this film being equated with that other low-budget home-made "horror" flick that was so incredibly boring that I had to leave the theater (the scariest thing put forth in an hour was a pile of rocks). It is very similar to Blair Witch in many ways but specifically the sense that it doesnt reveal ghosts and ugly monsters at all during the film, its a film for the mind which keeps you thinking throughout. I thought Blair Witch was better and less flawed. But still a good film. Anybody who likes films such "gone in 60 seconds" will probably not see the attraction.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Nov 14, 09, 21:37 / #
Wroclaw Boy: Thats false as a deep rooted right or wrong prevails albeit 2000 BC or 2009. Its always occured, come on. that's right, that is why your example of Ted Bundy is not a great one. But your example of to imagine how, in 5000 years time, that they will look back on the savages that we are is for me a very interesting idea. Seanus: Times move on and conventional wisdom changes. So are you admitting that your beliefs will only last a while that they will die out?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Nov 14, 09, 21:47 / #
SeanBM: And maybe these grieving people deserve to be ripped off? naw mate. I just saw your youtube, how are they ripped off? Seanus: WB, I remember that guy. I must admit, they appear convincing as mediums but it's sleight of hand and tricking of the eye. Good to watch, though :) Thats got nothing to do with it, its not a magic trick. You have no idea what were talking about do you?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 14, 09, 21:52 / #
Wroclaw Boy: I just saw your quote, how are they ripped off? They are being conned.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Nov 14, 09, 21:55 / #
SeanBM: They are being conned. OK, lf you visited a fortune teller or used a ouija board and it worked lets say it told you something no body else could ever know what would you say then?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 14, 09, 22:02 / #
Wroclaw Boy: OK, lf you visited a fortune teller or used a ouija board and it worked lets say it told you something no body else could ever know what would you say then? You will have to give me exact details for starters. I think you are working from the inside out, you believe and you want to create an example that has no answers because you do not want any.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Nov 14, 09, 22:07 / #
SeanBM: You will have to give me exact details for starters. I just did. SeanBM: I think you are working from the inside out, you believe and you want to create an example that has no answers because you do not want any. Nah i just want an admission that when faced with paranormal proof of your own, you would defy your own logical, scientific (in ya face) beliefs that what you see is not what you get. The fact that you didnt answer and are beating around the bush tells me you have real issues with that. Come on lets say hypothetically you saw a ghost or something, would you cry beer, or blame it on the bigos?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 14, 09, 22:18 / #
Wroclaw Boy: told you something no body else could ever know What exactly? Wroclaw Boy: The fact that you didnt answer and are beating around the bush tells me you have real issues with that. or that I think you are full of it, it is a silly question. If I used a trick and i could tell you something no body else could ever know about you, what would you think? Wroclaw Boy: Come on lets say hypothetically you saw a ghost or something, would you cry beer, or blame it on the bigos? Cry beer :) How did Darren Brown talk to the dead in that youtube link I provided?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Nov 14, 09, 22:29 / #
I was just watching Darren Brown being able to meet someone (a psychic) and told them to draw a picture in the next room and he was able to say what it was she had drawn, a number of times. He is not psychic. Have a watch, i am not sure how he does it but he is not psychic and does not talk to spirits, it is a trick.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 14, 09, 22:30 / #
Beliefs change with experience, that much is true! WB, it is clear that you were talking about Edwards.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Nov 14, 09, 22:30 / #
OK i'll watch this one. hang tight. Skills of magic, misdirection, showmanship and psychology its not looking good. still watching.. Ahh i see 2:48, SeanBM is this youre brother?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,467 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Nov 14, 09, 22:47 / #
Wroclaw Boy Good show. Great TV at the end of the day.

santanderThreads: 1 Posts: 95 Joined: Sep 14, 09	Nov 15, 09, 17:03 / #
SeanBM: So your argument, if I understand this correctly, is that I should not question or search for an answer because it is beyond my comprehension and I should except some mediums as the genuine article and not use reason or rational thinking at all? Sean there is no answer, because nonone has come back from the dead to explain. If we look at things from a scientific viewpoint how was the first life created on earth, how was this possible?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Nov 15, 09, 17:31 / #
santander: there is no answer, because nonone has come back from the dead to explain. That is exactly NOT what mediums are saying and that is my exact point. They are using other peoples grief, shame and hurt to manipulate them and deceive them. A lot of them are scumbag con-artists who tell you lies about your dead relatives. santander: If we look at things from a scientific viewpoint Have you looked, honestly? or are you trying to make a point without knowing the facts?

George8600Threads: 20 Posts: 1,114 Joined: Feb 19, 09	Nov 16, 09, 20:16 / #
SeanBM: santander: there is no answer, because nonone has come back from the dead to explain. That is exactly NOT what mediums are saying and that is my exact point. They are using other peoples grief, shame and hurt to manipulate them and deceive them. A lot of them are scumbag con-artists who tell you lies about your dead relatives. santander: If we look at things from a scientific viewpoint Have you looked, honestly? or are you trying to make a point without knowing the facts? He has a point, that's one of the most dis-respectful things you could run in a business. Anyway, back on topic. Has anyone seen the popular American horror film Paranormal Activity? It's based on this very topic and got many high ratings. Reply if you would like a copy.

George8600Threads: 20 Posts: 1,114 Joined: Feb 19, 09	Nov 17, 09, 21:36 / #
Rakky: No. I heard this film being equated with that other low-budget home-made "horror" flick that was so incredibly boring that I had to leave the theater (the scariest thing put forth in an hour was a pile of rocks). A co-worker said that her husband had to sleep with the lights on for a few nights after seeing it, but I'm still not interested. Well it was Hollywood made, with implementations of looking home-made. Personally, knowing it was fake it didn't really scare me.