Swine flu vaccinations taking place in Poland?

Should people use antiviral drugs before or after receiving the live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) called FluMist®?
LAIV is one of two types of flu vaccine. It is given as a nasal spray and contains weakened, live virus. Flu antiviral drugs taken from 48 hours before through 2 weeks after getting LAIV can lower or prevent the vaccinated person from responding to the vaccine and the person may not get immune protection from the vaccine.

Antiviral drugs can be taken with the inactivated (i.e. killed) flu vaccine.

expatriateThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 19, 09	Oct 19, 09, 13:09 / #
Hi all, I haven't found any information about swine flue vaccinations taking place in Poland. At least our "home country" is now starting the vaccination to whole population, but since we live here in Poland (are residents here) - we can't get it from home. Does anyone kwow latest news on this area? I want to have my whole family vaccinated, but don't know where to turn to. Has Poland even ordered the vaccination? If yes, how can us foreigners get that? Or are there any private instances providing the vaccinations? Thanks for your help...

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Oct 19, 09, 13:12 / #
I am sure you can get it commercially - but would expect it to be quite expensive - I don't think Poland is going to implement vaccination of the whole population

expatriateThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 19, 09	Oct 19, 09, 13:16 / #
Well, cost is not the problem - insurance will cover this anyway.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Oct 19, 09, 13:29 / #
Do we really need this ? No one died here...

expatriateThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 19, 09	Edited by: expatriate Oct 19, 09, 13:40 / #
Germany, UK, all Scandinavia etc. will be vaccinating their whole population, so no question that we are not taking it. The question is more or less where to find it. It would be so much easier to do it here in Poland than book flights to home country just for vaccination. Not really making sence. But if needed, so be it.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Oct 19, 09, 14:14 / #
expatriate: Germany, UK, all Scandinavia etc. will be vaccinating their whole population, so no question that we are not taking it. The question is more or less where to find it. It would be so much easier to do it here in Poland than book flights to home country just for vaccination. Not really making sence. But if needed, so be it. What they say and what they will be doing are two different things, the elderly and those that are susceptible to swine flu will be getting it in the UK...there isnt some big all out vacination programme as you are making out, most people I know who have been offered it at work have decline (me included). The vacination is not 100% proof either...and its hardly an epidemic either in the UK. Grzegorz_: Do we really need this ? No one died here... Not many died of it in the UK either..so No I dont think you need it in Poland, its hardly the Spanish flu for christ sake!

expatriateThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 19, 09	Oct 19, 09, 14:40 / #
I see, so no comments on the issue where to get it here in Poland. Well, I think I need to start booking flights to north to get it - where (by the way) the whole population will be vaccinated, starting phase to phase next week and vaccinations going on till end of the year. Of course, people can deny the vaccination and it is their personal choise - but as it is recommended by our health care system, I will be going after it as well. No offence, but seriously - do you guys (foreing ppl living in Poland) truly trust and rely on Polish system/judgement when it comes to these issues. I know that Poland has ordered 4M vaccinations now, but problem is that we (as foreigners) don't have access to those.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Edited by: gumishu Oct 19, 09, 15:52 / #
just go to any private practitioner (that speak's English) and ask - it shouldn't be overly difficult if you live in Warsaw - it think it is obvious they are interested in the issue (as not the whole of the population is gonna be vaccinated for free) btw state-of-the-art vaccines (safe ones) for the swine flu are only starting to get delivered world wide

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Oct 19, 09, 16:30 / #
expatriate: Well, I think I need to start booking flights to north to get it Have you considered staying there permanently? Poland would most certainly be better off without you. BTW: good luck getting your health insurance to pay for your whole family to fly to Sweden. I'm sure you'll give the whole office there a laugh when you file your claim for that.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Oct 19, 09, 17:12 / #
expatriate: No offence, but seriously - do you guys (foreing ppl living in Poland) truly trust and rely on Polish system/judgement when it comes to these issues. No offence, but seriously - do you always let your government do your thinking for you? I trust my own judgment, which is that taking extraoridinary measures at present is pointless. The vaccines aren't sufficiently tested, the disease is overhyped (with an insignificant mortality rate for the otherwise healthy) and I'm not panicking. Ever hear of a grip? Get one.

ChipmunkThreads: 19 Posts: 73 Joined: Aug 15, 09	Edited by: Chipmunk Oct 21, 09, 17:16 / #
The Swing Flu Vaccination is a live virus. Research shows that this causes permanent scarring to your lungs. Get the Flu Shot but I'd skip the Swine Flu.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 21, 09, 23:01 / #
Greg is spot on! It's not an issue here. There was an isolated case but the woman was quickly quarantined and nothing more has been said on the matter. Stop feeding the pockets of greedy pharmaceutical companies.

ZosiaThreads: 3 Posts: 55 Joined: Aug 3, 08	Oct 24, 09, 23:37 / #
Chipmunk: The Swing Flu Vaccination is a live virus. Research shows that this causes permanent scarring to your lungs. actually it's not a live virus. it was a live virus vaccine in the 70s but not now, at least not in North America.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Oct 26, 09, 01:37 / #
A woman in the states got the swine flu vaccination and a few days later developed a terrible illness:

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09	Oct 26, 09, 01:46 / #
Zosia: actually it's not a live virus One version is: From Centers for Disease Control Should people use antiviral drugs before or after receiving the live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) called FluMist®? LAIV is one of two types of flu vaccine. It is given as a nasal spray and contains weakened, live virus. Flu antiviral drugs taken from 48 hours before through 2 weeks after getting LAIV can lower or prevent the vaccinated person from responding to the vaccine and the person may not get immune protection from the vaccine. Antiviral drugs can be taken with the inactivated (i.e. killed) flu vaccine. You have to look at the very bottom of the page.

ZosiaThreads: 3 Posts: 55 Joined: Aug 3, 08	Oct 27, 09, 04:37 / #
ShawnH: You have to look at the very bottom of the page. oh ok, thanks for that info!

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Oct 27, 09, 10:32 / #
ShawnH: You have to look at the very bottom of the page. It all depends what kind of vaccine you are going to get. Australian scientists developed their own vaccine which is called "Panvax.." and the vaccine does not contain live virus: http://www.healthemergency.gov.au/internet/healthemergency/publishing. nsf/Content/vaccine How a vaccine works Panvax® H1N1 Vaccine contains extracts of protein from the new flu strain. Once you get vaccinated, proteins prompt your body to produce antibodies to protect you from the virus. Protection after vaccination varies from person to person, but people generally start producing the antibodies that provide protection two weeks after the vaccination. Protection is expected to last for at least one year. This vaccine does not contain live virus and cannot give you influenza. In Australia everyone is entitled to a free vaccine, and the vaccination process started just about a month ago. Few other countries developed their own vaccine.

Mark76	Oct 27, 09, 22:16 / #
ShelleyS: What they say and what they will be doing are two different things, the elderly and those that are susceptible to swine flu will be getting it in the UK...there isnt some big all out vacination programme as you are making out Check your facts before posting Shelley. There will be a mass vaccination programme in the UK

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Oct 28, 09, 02:25 / #
People are getting swine flu everywhere around here. It's not that bad as they say it is but people are panicking because they're dumb. The regular flu is much worse, last longer, stomach aches and you throw up. The pig flu you just get a temp, sick for a few days and not so hard on you as the reg. flu. The shots won't prevent u from getting it either, it just injects foreign bodies into you and many more people get sick from the flu shot than the flu itself, but it's not publicized.

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Oct 28, 09, 05:45 / #
krysia: The shots won't prevent u from getting it either, We (in Australia) are already past this year's winter season (it's now spring from 1 September) but the other parts of the world soon are going to have one and if you could see how badly swine flu is really affecting healthy people (people with health problem or pregnant are at much, much higher risk) then you would probably change your view about this specific virus. Seasonal flu normally affects (with complications) older and weak people - swine flu virus attacks everyone and especially people with any health problem (some people who died were: overweight people, people with diabetes....) . Here, the swine flu was spreading in such a quick way that it couldn't be controlled. Some pregnant women lost their babies ( were still born), some healthy and usually young people lost their legs/or leg (poor circulation as a result of the virus). No medicine worked to help people who contracted swine flu and were really sick ( at the begininng some drugs worked). The only method which worked to help these people to breathe (the lungs were collapsing) was to put them under a special machine, which normally is used during an operation-heart transplant. These machines are limited in number and cannot be obtained easily but hospitals were doing their best. There were people who contracted swine flu and did not had a complication , except symptoms like with cold and others like with a seasonal viral flu... but the virus is mutating and becomes stronger. The worst (as we are said) is going to be here next winter season; we'll see how the world will cope during their winter now.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Oct 28, 09, 06:09 / #
Flu shots - YES or NO will always be debatable. I don't take them, neither do my friends and family and we never get the flu. Canadian front page news on flu vaccinations has transfixed Canada health authorities, prompting official suspension of regular flu vaccination programs until further notice. This comes from a study of Canada by research Doctors Danuta Skowronski of the British Columbia Centre of Disease Control and Gaston De Serres of Laval University in Quebec concluding Canadians receiving flu vaccinations have twice the risk of coming down with the flu, compared to those who do not take the shot.

DoctorMike	Oct 28, 09, 13:58 / #
The mainstream media is engaged in what we Americans call "bald faced lies" about swine flu. It seems to be true with this issue more than any other, and it became apparent to me recently when a colleague of mine -- a nationally-syndicated newspaper columnist -- told me their column on natural defenses for swine flu was rejected by newspapers all across the country. Many newspapers refused to run the column and, instead, ran an ad for "free vaccine clinics" in the same space. The media, it seems, is so deeply in bed with the culture of vaccinations that they will do almost anything to keep the public misinformed. And that includes lying about swine flu vaccines. There are ten key lies that continue to be told by the mainstream media (MSM) about swine flu and swine flu vaccines. Lie #1 - There are no adjuvants used in the vaccines I was recently being interviewed by a major U.S. news network when the reporter interviewing me came up with this humdinger: There are no adjuvants being used in the swine flu vaccines, he said! I assured him that adjuvants were, indeed, a crucial part of the vaccine recipe, and they were being widely used by drug companies to "stretch" the vaccine supply. It's no secret. But he insisted he had been directly told by a drug company rep that no adjuvants were being used at all. And he believed them! So everything being published by this large news network about swine flu vaccines now assumes there are no adjuvants in the vaccines at all. Lie #2 - The swine flu is more dangerous than seasonal flu This lie is finally starting to unravel. I admit that in the early days of this pandemic, even I was concerned this could be a global killer. But after observing the very mild impact the virus was having on people in the real world, it became obvious that this was a mild flu, no more dangerous than a seasonal flu. The MSM, however, continues to promote H1N1 swine flu as being super dangerous, driving fear into the minds of people and encouraging them to rush out and get a vaccine shot for a flu that's really no more likely to kill them than the regular winter sniffles. Sure, the virus could still mutate into something far worse, but if it does that, the current vaccine could be rendered obsolete anyway! Lie #3 - Vaccines protect you from swine flu This is the biggest lie of all, and the media pushes it hard. Getting a vaccine, they insist, will protect you from the swine flu. But it's just flat-out false. Even if the vaccine produces antibodies, that's not the same thing as real-world immunity from a live virus, especially if the virus mutates (as they often do). As I pointed out in a recent article, statistically speaking the average American is 40 times more likely to be struck by lightning than to have their life saved by a swine flu vaccine. Lie #4 - Vaccines are safe And how would any journalists actually know this? None of the vaccines have been subjected to real-world testing for any meaningful duration. The "safety" of these vaccines is nothing more than wishful thinking. The MSM also doesn't want you to know what's in the vaccines. Some vaccines are made from viral fragments grown in diseased African monkeys.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Oct 28, 09, 14:07 / #
Just stay away from any pigs that are sneezing is my advice....!

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Oct 28, 09, 23:35 / #
DoctorMike: The media, it seems, is so deeply in bed with the culture of vaccinations that they will do almost anything to keep the public misinformed. And that includes lying about swine flu vaccines. Are you Mike Adams? : Ten Swine Flu Lies Told by the Mainstream Media Friday, September 18, 2009 by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor Key concepts: Swine flu, Vaccines and Swine flu vaccine View on NaturalPedia: Swine flu, Vaccines and Swine flu vaccine.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Oct 29, 09, 02:46 / #
DoctorMike: Lie #2 - The swine flu is more dangerous than seasonal flu This lie is finally starting to unravel. I admit that in the early days of this pandemic, even I was concerned this could be a global killer. But after observing the very mild impact the virus was having on people in the real world, it became obvious that this was a mild flu, no more dangerous than a seasonal flu. And that's what I was saying. Several people I know came down with this virus and they are laughing at it!! They can get over the counter medications for it, if needed. I'm waiting for it to get me, but so far I have been unsuccessful for any kind of flu. Which sucks, because then I can sit home and watch TV all day.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Oct 29, 09, 03:25 / #
If you are an old person, a young person going to school, or someone who gets bad flus every year the vaccine can keep you from getting it as bad. My mom got vaccinated one year, against regular flu, and she came down with a really bad flu that year. I asked her how that could be since she was vaccinated. I didn't get it or not as bad, one. I don't remember. I never get bad cases of the flu and I don't think I've been vaccinated against it one time.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Oct 29, 09, 03:31 / #
I am more worried about the mushroom flu that has started to cause illness around here...no sign of a vacine for that...!

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Oct 29, 09, 03:41 / #
I can't believe that people are so gullible and so eager to put this poison in their bodies. I think pharmaceutical companies just need some cash and are "in" with the media to keep people scared. (Seanus, where are you? It is a perfect conspiracy theory, innit?) I don't know anybody (yet) who had the swine flu... I'd rather rely on my T-cells to defend my body against this or any other invader. I keep them strong with whole foods and so far the 'little soldiers" did not disappoint me. I'm with the same company for over 16 years and I'm yet to call in sick. So there. I'll take my chances.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Oct 29, 09, 03:41 / #
I'm worried about the reality show flu. You can get sick just from watching them!

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Oct 29, 09, 03:47 / #
lol. I think it's a good idea for another, dumb, 'reality' show.